Because it's an old game that relies on a very old gameplay system from the 90's. Some people like that stuff, others don't. You don't have to like it and then suddenly say it's horrible because you don't like it. I don't like World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, and most Telltale games, but I can see why others enjoy it.

It's not your style of game, that's fine. But don't go around saying something is shit just because you personally do not enjoy it.

But WoW is shit for the same reason.

Call of Duty is easy to understand because it's just a casual shooting game

but I honestly cannot see how it could possibly be fun to play a game like Fallout 1 or 2. It just isn't enjoyable, and if you're only playing for the lore/story then you're an idiot.

WoW is shit how?

This is literally boiling down to "I don't like it, so other people can't like it." That's honestly what you're telling me. After I got past getting used to Fallout 1 and 2, I enjoy it a lot. It's the same reason people love Baulders Gate. And since Pillars of Eternity follows that same gameplay, are you telling me THAT'S bad too?

It probably is shit. Gameplay>story every time, and the gameplay in Fallout 1 and 2 is so shit I don't see how you can enjoy it.

And this discussion can end right here, considering A. PoE got rave reviews and B. is very strong in both the gameplay and story department. Your opinion is not the objective fact of the gaming industry. No offense, but get over yourself in that regard.




move along

But your opinion on what "shit gameplay" is =/= the opinion of what everyone else sees it as. I could just as easily say Call of Duty has shit gameplay because of its twitch mechanics and simplicity to cater to casual fans.

Sad to say, but you're in the minority with that opinion. You can dislike it all you want, but simply ruling off an entire genre as shit because you don't like it is horribly ignorant.

CoD gives you control of the player and is mostly pretty polished. Just a boring game. It's fun for a game or two then it's boring.

Fallout 1 and 2 are just not fun to play.

By that very same logic, someone could say CoD is fun all day, every day, because of the "mostly polished" gameplay.

And I need to bring it up again, but if you think Pillars of Eternity is a shit game, then it simply boils down to you not liking the genre.

I enjoyed them more for the world and the atmosphere of the game rather than the combat, I loved the "Humanity trying to rebuild itself" theme it had going on as opposed to how it feels in Fallout 3 and to a lesser extent NV, where it feels like the apocalypse just happened

Also the good storytelling and quests, the combat was ok, nothing special but I could forgive it due to it's age

Fallout 1 and 2 always did the "Humanity trying to rebuild" better than Fallout 3 or NV ever did. Plus the settlements in 1 and 2 are the reason I prefer them over NV. We got places like Los Angeles, Vault City, New Reno, Arryo, and Shady Sands. I didn't get that same feeling from NV if we're sticking to the desert.

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but I could forgive it due to it's age

Don't do that

Why not? It's not terrible at all, and while definitely showing signs of it being an old game it's pretty decent

Old games can still be as good (or better) than games made nowadays gameplay-wise. Saying "it's old" isn't an excuse for shit gameplay.

In terms of gameplay, it's kind of impossible to compare Fallout 1 and 2 to 3 and NV, considering they're entirely different genre's at that point.

It'd be like comparing World of Warcraft to its predecessors Warcraft 1-3. That's why whenever someone talks about them, it's the lore, because it holds up between all games.

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In terms of gameplay, it's kind of impossible to compare Fallout 1 and 2 to 3 and NV, considering they're entirely different genre's at that point.

which is interesting

how come they made such a drastic change anyway

Well, 1 and 2 were made by Interplay, 3 and NV by Bethesda. I suppose Bethesda wanted to use a more current gameplay style as well as make the game their own by using their style of gameplay.

NV was PUBLISHED by Bethesda but made by Obsidian, a lot of which contained the original people who did 1 and 2. That's why you see things implemented in it that were in their unfinished game Van Buren, and a lot of Fallout 1 and 2 OST's you can hear around the world.

Same with the world being so tied to 1 and 2 with the Super Mutants, NCR (who were in fallout 2), references to Fallout 2 such as Marcus talking about traveling with a tribal (the MC in Fallout 2), and much more.