EA Announces Star Wars Battlefront Season's Pass ~ $50

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I LIKE FREE SHIT
don't we all
More of a case of I don't like fragmented communities.


 
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Good practices should be commended regardless of how many bad practices are present. It's the only way to reinforce positive change.

Bad practices are more important than good practices because they are an inherently bigger issue.

Companies don't have to do good things like free DLC, but they shouldn't take advantage of the consumer.

There's a clear difference here.

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So you think that any major company/publisher/business online is even remotely receptive to whining anymore?

Yes.

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They care about two one thing:

1) Profit margins

FTFY

And the only way to get our point across is via our wallets and complaining.

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If you are confronted with a thousand posts by random users bitching about anything and everything are you inclined to actually read that?

If your job depends on the sale of your game, you bet your ass they're going to find out why people are upset.

It doesn't take reading through 1000 posts to understand why people are outraged by things. When people are upset, they complain loudly.

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The positive one or the nine hundred and ninety nine shitposts?

If those 999 shitposts are all complaining about the same thing, any normal person is obviously going to remember that majority's opinion.

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Whining at EA won't make a blind bit of difference at this point, they are trying to improve some of their practices and people could at least give them credit for it.

I am giving them credit for. See?

"Good job on the free DLC, EA."

..

"Now fuck off with these shitty business practices."

And I'm not whining at EA. I'm trying to "convert" (not the proper word but w/e) the people here to see the way I do.

It's just like when I was trying to make people understand why the Street Fighter character's oversexualisation was wrong.

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Or if it's not metal gear enough, then why bother complaining about a company you don't care for at all?

Literally what?

Just because it's not Metal Gear, I don't care about it?

However true that may be (there is very little truth to it), that's irrelevant. Just because an issue doesn't affect me doesn't mean I shouldn't apose it.

And for what it's worth, I don't consider EA to be the worst company in America, or even the worst AAA publisher. At least they're doing free DLC. Activision wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole.

Again, your shilling for EA -- genuine or not -- is clouding your judgement here. The idea that "Well, they're doing good stuff too, so... free pass." is toxic.


 
 
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You know, I really loathe quote snipping.
It's such a tiresome and petty way of arguing.

EA isn't taking advantage of anyone here, they are offering the standard season pass price for the decent amount of content (assuming they copy a battlefield game with quantity). Ontop of that they are offering the first DLC free to all the players.

The game is £40, standard pricing
The pass will be £35, standard pricing

Unless you'd like to see the basegame cost £80/$90 so that they recover their expenditure from the production of a game, why complain about an optional season pass?
If this was the cut content debacle all over again, then yeah anyone should be pissed. It's not though, Jakku isn't going to be a 108kb day one download to activate disc locked content.

Whining =/= Their entire platform being at risk of sinking into the ground
They fucked up big time, the utter slating they got from the entire planet combined with no doubt dire preorder numbers of the console is what changed the game there. Not a few comments on a forum.

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And the only way to get our point across is via our wallets and complaining.
And this is why you fail.

But hey, feel free to go onto battlelog bitching away and see how much they care.

The thing is though, there isn't a deluge of outrage over this. There is a bit of whining going on and that's it, that is because they aren't doing anything out of the ordinary. Every other major AAA publisher offers a season pass nowadays because it is an assured investment into producing extra content that both allows the player to enjoy more of the game and the dev/pub to recover costs of making the title.

Games are bloody expensive to make, very few of them recoup their cost on retail sales alone. A season pass is entirely optional for the player and gives both parties a mutually beneficial transaction. It's less of a gamble than buying a AAA title off the bat because you will have presumably put more than two hours into a demo at that point and you'll know if you want more of it.

Well in that case preach away, and uh good luck father ted.
Just don't expect your audience to all lap it up.

My shilling for EA is a self-deprecating joke, of course I don't shill for a company. I just don't have a problem with EA's recent change of face, enjoy the games they publish and that's that. But of course someone who doesn't see something through your eyes must be blind eh?

Do me a favour though would you?
If you are going to quote snip this post as well, don't bother replying. I'm not alt-tabbing for 10 minutes to read what you've posted and reply at the same time.


 
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I would rather the game cost more. It's more honest, and makes people question whether they should buy the game or not. In Battlefront's case, they shouldn't. Because it's obviously rushed and unfinished.

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Actually I'd rather the game's content be priced reasonably, and Battlefront simply isn't. It's probably not worth $90. But a game like TW3, that's packed with content? Yeah, that being $90 seems good with me. The thing is, the devs provide 15 free DLC packs for the player. If more developers practiced this, we'd have a better gaming atmosphere then we have now.

I will say that if the DLC content isn't finished, it's okay to charge for it later. But a season's pass is unethical because you're paying for content you don't get when you buy it. It's worse than the "Halo 5 not shipping with forge" debacle.

As for the "positive reinforcement" (lol) shit...

If no one complained and only voted with their wallets, the publishers wouldn't know what people were upset about. "Whining" is necessary.

Other AAA companies may do this. My point is that we shouldn't accept it at all, from anyone. Be honest and reasonable with your game's prices. A lot of people doing a shitty thing doesn't make it okay.

And it's not like these publishers are infantile chidren that need to be coddled when they do something wrong. Positively reinforcing a good thing is a good idea, and I'm sure developers appreciate it, but it is asbolutely optional. We NEED to complain about shit we don't like if we expect change. Simply saying "Nice work on the free DLC" isn't going to fix the game's lack of story mode or Galactic Conquest.

Your shilling looks more genuine with each passing comment, tbh.


 
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It's such a tiresome and petty way of arguing.

tbh I think it's the best way of arguing but w/e

I'll play by your rules.


 
 
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It's such a tiresome and petty way of arguing.

tbh I think it's the best way of arguing but w/e

I'll play by your rules.
Much obliged, I'll reply properly in a bit.


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
Hate me all you want but I am a slave to Star Wars and I can see myself really enjoying the hell out of Battlefront so I will most likely get the game and season pass :^)


 
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Just kidding, we're the same person.

Haha, got him.

Totally meme'd you.


 
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But seriously don't buy the Season's Pass.

Buy the game used and purchase the DLC when it's released if you must.


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uhhh...

- korrie
heroes were the coolest thing about battlefront tbh

how would it work in first person though
Its third person when controlling a hero I think.


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
I don't plan on buying any other games apart from that and Fallout so the season pass should be just fine. My feed will be filled with people playing the game and I can't just sit there and watch people play it. I need it. Plus I get paid so it's not like it's unfaffordable.


 
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Meh. I fail to see how this is different to battlefield.

And all five BF4 DLCs have been fantastic.
It plays nothing like Battlefield.


 
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My feed will be filled with people playing the game and I can't just sit there and watch people play it. I need it.

Well I'm not saying "don't buy it".

I'm just saying "don't buy it new".

You should always buy physical games used. The less sales a game gets, the more the developers/publishers need to do to entice you. Ala, more/better content for the consumers.

I don't want to preach but that's what I try to get everyone to do. It's just better for the industry.


 
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For the record I'm not against DLC.

If something is finished post launch, by all means, charge for it.

But something like, I don't know, Galactic Conquest was to be released later for $20, that ain't cool. Because that should be in the base game. It would be akin to charging $20 on top of the $60 you pay for Halo 5 once you buy the Forge mode in January.


 
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And if Galactic Conquest/Forge aren't finished on release, the game needs to be delayed.


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
My feed will be filled with people playing the game and I can't just sit there and watch people play it. I need it.

Well I'm not saying "don't buy it".

I'm just saying "don't buy it new".

You should always buy physical games used. The less sales a game gets, the more the developers/publishers need to do to entice you. Ala, more/better content for the consumers.

I don't want to preach but that's what I try to get everyone to do. It's just better for the industry.
I doubt anyone is going to trade it in on release day

I need that shit asap


 
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I doubt anyone is going to trade it in on release day.

By Friday there will be a copy, for sure.

But w/e man, I can't stop you. Do you.


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Meh. I fail to see how this is different to battlefield.

And all five BF4 DLCs have been fantastic.
It plays nothing like Battlefield.

i didn't mention the gameplay

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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
lol doesn't prehistoric pre-order games?
Err... no?
i distinctly remember you having a debate with me over pre-ordering
might have been big boss lol

I don't recall.


 
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I don't recall.

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

All our "similarities" aside, we still have different posting styles.

Regardless, I already said that it was me Lemon was talking to, and that he changed my mind.


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And if Galactic Conquest/Forge aren't finished on release, the game needs to be delayed.
needs to be =/= actually can be


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You should always buy physical games used
what


 
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needs to be =/= actually can be

Elaborate. If you hit me with some "developers don't decide release dates" bullshit, I already have a response.


 
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what

If you don't give your money to these publishers, they'll have to entice you with better offerings. It's pretty simple, really.


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Elaborate. If you hit me with some "developers don't decide release dates" bullshit, I already have a response.
Unless they're a self-publishing dev team, they don't

If you don't give your money to these publishers, they'll have to entice you with better offerings. It's pretty simple, really.
Just like how you bought Arkham Knight and MGSV new?


 
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Unless they're a self-publishing dev team, they don't

Cool. I'm not talking about the damn developers.

Guess who does decide when a game is release? The publishers.

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Just like how you bought Arkham Knight and MGSV new?

1. Not true.
2. Even if it was, it's a shit argument. Even if I bought all the season's passes in the world, I would still be allowed to say "don't buy them".


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Cool. I'm not talking about the damn developers.

Guess who does decide when a game is release? The publishers.
The corporate suits don't give a shit if it's finished.
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1. Not true.
2. Even if it was, it's a shit argument. Even if I bought all the season's passes in the world, I would still be allowed to say "don't buy them".
1. Yes you did, for MGSV atleast, you liar.
2. Yeah, you'd be allowed. You'd also look like a hypocrite.

Your "don't buy new so publishers/devs do more to entice you" argument is pretty dumb. The entire reason that I'm buying it is because they've enticed me with the offerings they're providing. If they hadn't, then I wouldn't be buying it.


 
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The corporate suits don't give a shit if it's finished.

Yeah, and my sister has brown hair.

As long as we're pointing out obvious shit.

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1. Yes you did, for MGSV at least, you liar.

Yeah, I bought MGSV new. But not Arkham Knight.

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2. Yeah, you'd be allowed. You'd also look like a hypocrite.

Cool. Hypocrisy isn't something that concerns me.

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The entire reason that I'm buying it is because they've enticed me with the offerings they're providing. If they hadn't, then I wouldn't be buying it.

So what would be the issue with getting more bang-for-your-buck by buying used?

You have literally nothing to lose from a used game. If you can help it, buy used. That's my point.


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Because if they're offering a product I want and like, then I want to support them.

Just like you and many others did with MGSV, because Kojima.