then you respond by not taking my post at face value.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:20:58 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:18:06 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:14:23 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:12:37 PMno, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion.If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you?no, none of this sounds interesting to me. i dont play battlefront. i didnt think much of the first two games and nothing about this game makes me want to buy it. potentially buying the DLC is a non-issue for me and i have no opinion on the content's effect on the game itself.I can't help but ask why you are posting then; you don't care about the game, or even the series. If you don't want to talk about the game, then why get mad at me for not talking about it?like i said earlier, the DLC is just an aspect of a larger conversation. i posted my thoughts on that larger conversation in the first page of this thread.Quotesee i can understand companies wanting to make more money where they can. its just, it seems to callous and matter-of-fact, the way they do these things. they dont ask the community what kinds of things we'd like to see in extra content, or how much we'd be willing to pay for a certain amount/type of content, etc. they just decide to reserve certain game modes or items for DLC instead of the base game, cut that content from vanilla and sell it separate, and pretend like everything is hunky-dory.there needs to be an effective dialogue between developers/publishers and the consumers where these things are concerned. but so many people buy this shit without question anyway that the devs and publishers have no real reason to change things.
Quote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:18:06 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:14:23 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:12:37 PMno, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion.If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you?no, none of this sounds interesting to me. i dont play battlefront. i didnt think much of the first two games and nothing about this game makes me want to buy it. potentially buying the DLC is a non-issue for me and i have no opinion on the content's effect on the game itself.I can't help but ask why you are posting then; you don't care about the game, or even the series. If you don't want to talk about the game, then why get mad at me for not talking about it?
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:14:23 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:12:37 PMno, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion.If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you?no, none of this sounds interesting to me. i dont play battlefront. i didnt think much of the first two games and nothing about this game makes me want to buy it. potentially buying the DLC is a non-issue for me and i have no opinion on the content's effect on the game itself.
Quote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:12:37 PMno, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion.If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you?
no, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.
see i can understand companies wanting to make more money where they can. its just, it seems to callous and matter-of-fact, the way they do these things. they dont ask the community what kinds of things we'd like to see in extra content, or how much we'd be willing to pay for a certain amount/type of content, etc. they just decide to reserve certain game modes or items for DLC instead of the base game, cut that content from vanilla and sell it separate, and pretend like everything is hunky-dory.there needs to be an effective dialogue between developers/publishers and the consumers where these things are concerned. but so many people buy this shit without question anyway that the devs and publishers have no real reason to change things.
Quote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:23:41 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:20:58 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:18:06 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:14:23 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:12:37 PMno, by all means, continue to be needlessly hostile. dont let me pointing it out change anything.And I'm just pointing out that you're being a condescending prick, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion.If you want to talk about the season pass, bring up something that can be discussed. I'll go first: does Hero Hunt sound interesting to you?no, none of this sounds interesting to me. i dont play battlefront. i didnt think much of the first two games and nothing about this game makes me want to buy it. potentially buying the DLC is a non-issue for me and i have no opinion on the content's effect on the game itself.I can't help but ask why you are posting then; you don't care about the game, or even the series. If you don't want to talk about the game, then why get mad at me for not talking about it?like i said earlier, the DLC is just an aspect of a larger conversation. i posted my thoughts on that larger conversation in the first page of this thread.Quotesee i can understand companies wanting to make more money where they can. its just, it seems to callous and matter-of-fact, the way they do these things. they dont ask the community what kinds of things we'd like to see in extra content, or how much we'd be willing to pay for a certain amount/type of content, etc. they just decide to reserve certain game modes or items for DLC instead of the base game, cut that content from vanilla and sell it separate, and pretend like everything is hunky-dory.there needs to be an effective dialogue between developers/publishers and the consumers where these things are concerned. but so many people buy this shit without question anyway that the devs and publishers have no real reason to change things.And I take no beef with that logic; I do have to point out though, that asking what extra content the consumer wants would backfire. You only have to look at Augment Your Pre-Order to see that, where people where getting pissed that they would be locked out of other content based on their choices (among other things). It's not as clear-cut as giving the consumer more choice, and I don't think people are opposed to more conversation between developers and customers-- it's just going to take a lot of time and cases to build up that argument to the point that it could be brought up and applied to a company like EA.
Quote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:30:11 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 07:25:36 PMwhy does everyone get their panties in such a fucking knot about this? If you don't like it don't fucking buy it and shut the fuck up.because its not ok to exploit stupid people for monetary gainits not EAs fault they're fucking stupid. I'd make money off of them too if I could.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 07:25:36 PMwhy does everyone get their panties in such a fucking knot about this? If you don't like it don't fucking buy it and shut the fuck up.because its not ok to exploit stupid people for monetary gain
why does everyone get their panties in such a fucking knot about this? If you don't like it don't fucking buy it and shut the fuck up.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:30:33 PM then you respond by not taking my post at face value.youre gonna need to clarify this.
yeah, of course its more complex than i may have made it seem. but just opening a dialogue with the consumers/gauging their approval (without just looking at dollar signs and units sold) is what im really aiming for. thats all i want, is transparency and accountability.
Quote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:33:07 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:30:33 PM then you respond by not taking my post at face value.youre gonna need to clarify this.I explain that I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion with you, and that I don't understand why you think I'm being sarcasticThen you respond by telling me I'm still being sarcastic and snarky. Again, sorry, but would that not make you a bit flustered to constantly have your responses being read out of context because of an imagined issue? I've never had problem with you, Azu, but I would be lying if I said that this back and forth hasn't put me off from talking to you for a bit. It's a bit frustrating.
Quote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:35:58 PMyeah, of course its more complex than i may have made it seem. but just opening a dialogue with the consumers/gauging their approval (without just looking at dollar signs and units sold) is what im really aiming for. thats all i want, is transparency and accountability.If I seem apathetic about season passes, that's only half-true. I realize that there are issues with the game industry and that this is going to take a lot of time, effort, and good-luck on the part of consumers to fight this. Nobody wins by suing McDonalds; complaining about EA won't do anything. They've won worst company of the year for the past three years or so, right?You don't win by complaining about season passes, you win by 1) not buying them, and 2) supporting developers who interact with their consumers, provide content for a reasonable price, and release a complete and quality product. Create examples of developers doing the right thing, and how that works out well for the developer. That gives incentives for others to follow suit.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:37:15 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:33:07 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:30:33 PM then you respond by not taking my post at face value.youre gonna need to clarify this.I explain that I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion with you, and that I don't understand why you think I'm being sarcasticThen you respond by telling me I'm still being sarcastic and snarky. Again, sorry, but would that not make you a bit flustered to constantly have your responses being read out of context because of an imagined issue? I've never had problem with you, Azu, but I would be lying if I said that this back and forth hasn't put me off from talking to you for a bit. It's a bit frustrating.ill own up to my fair share of improper conduct. i would just like for you to answer for this: "I'm flustered because you'd imply that I didn't read the OP. I read it, and what I got was that everyone is making a mountain of a molehill here. Circlejerks are for teenage boys experimenting with their sexuality, not discussion.And if you've gathered that impression of me from this thread, then you're sadly wrong; I'm just reserving my judgement for when we actually know something instead of being a reactionary half-wit."If you don't see where I might have been a bit offended there, idk what to tell you.
lol doesn't prehistoric pre-order games?
Quote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:42:42 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:37:15 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:33:07 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:30:33 PM then you respond by not taking my post at face value.youre gonna need to clarify this.I explain that I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion with you, and that I don't understand why you think I'm being sarcasticThen you respond by telling me I'm still being sarcastic and snarky. Again, sorry, but would that not make you a bit flustered to constantly have your responses being read out of context because of an imagined issue? I've never had problem with you, Azu, but I would be lying if I said that this back and forth hasn't put me off from talking to you for a bit. It's a bit frustrating.ill own up to my fair share of improper conduct. i would just like for you to answer for this: "I'm flustered because you'd imply that I didn't read the OP. I read it, and what I got was that everyone is making a mountain of a molehill here. Circlejerks are for teenage boys experimenting with their sexuality, not discussion.And if you've gathered that impression of me from this thread, then you're sadly wrong; I'm just reserving my judgement for when we actually know something instead of being a reactionary half-wit."If you don't see where I might have been a bit offended there, idk what to tell you.Okay, straight up, I was trying to make a funny with the first one, not be snarky. That was supposed to lighten the mood, not make it worse. And the second part was referring more to the entire reactionary nature of this thread, but I can concede that it was snarky. In my defense, you had already accused me of not reading the OP (to my knowledge at the time, because again, wasn't trying to be snarky ) which made me a little mad. If I talk about something, I like to know what I'm talking about first; implying that I'm ignoring blatant information is something that I take a bit insultingly. I just yelled at Verb for it the other day when he brought up an old argument, if you'd like consistency to back that.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 07:41:19 PMQuote from: Azumarill on October 12, 2015, 07:35:58 PMyeah, of course its more complex than i may have made it seem. but just opening a dialogue with the consumers/gauging their approval (without just looking at dollar signs and units sold) is what im really aiming for. thats all i want, is transparency and accountability.If I seem apathetic about season passes, that's only half-true. I realize that there are issues with the game industry and that this is going to take a lot of time, effort, and good-luck on the part of consumers to fight this. Nobody wins by suing McDonalds; complaining about EA won't do anything. They've won worst company of the year for the past three years or so, right?You don't win by complaining about season passes, you win by 1) not buying them, and 2) supporting developers who interact with their consumers, provide content for a reasonable price, and release a complete and quality product. Create examples of developers doing the right thing, and how that works out well for the developer. That gives incentives for others to follow suit.well yeah duh.but the thing is, you can affect consumer interest by spreading the good word that company x is selling a piece of shit. am i, azumarill, a lone faggot, going to make everyone stop buying call of duty? nope. but a bunch of different people talking shit about something sure can make it get real unpopular real quick.
Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 12, 2015, 07:37:22 PMlol doesn't prehistoric pre-order games?Err... no?
Quote from: Prehistoric on October 12, 2015, 07:50:50 PMQuote from: Citrus Snake on October 12, 2015, 07:37:22 PMlol doesn't prehistoric pre-order games?Err... no?i distinctly remember you having a debate with me over pre-ordering
i distinctly remember you having a debate with me over pre-ordering
I'll probably wait for a discount for many reasons.1. Bugs/Balance2. Price drop3. The above twoPlus I'll be on Fallout 4 and another game which is escaping me right now.
Quote from: Luciana on October 12, 2015, 09:53:59 PMI'll probably wait for a discount for many reasons.1. Bugs/Balance2. Price drop3. The above twoPlus I'll be on Fallout 4 and another game which is escaping me right now.Luci, you can't make a third reason that just restate other reasons. That's cheating.
Quote from: Prehistoric on October 12, 2015, 06:18:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 06:17:16 PMsee, i don't even know what a season pass isAll future content becomes "free" to download once it's availableit's basically pre-ordering DLCwhich is should tell you everything you need to know about its stupidity.ah.yeah, that's fucked up on a number of levelsfuck people tbh
Quote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 06:17:16 PMsee, i don't even know what a season pass isAll future content becomes "free" to download once it's availableit's basically pre-ordering DLCwhich is should tell you everything you need to know about its stupidity.
see, i don't even know what a season pass is
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Quote from: Avatar on October 12, 2015, 10:12:22 PMfam🚪^see that door?SpoilerSHUT IT
EA Announces Star Wars Battlefront Season's Pass ~ $50
