E3 2016

Damn I have to get a Next-generation console to play the superior version of Skyrim that PC doesnt get.

Thank you for making me laugh lol

What single person who doesnt have it on PC doesnt have it modded.

Me

How did Fallout 3 make it canon?

There were jet containers in some of the sealed vaults, but that was more of a result of the randomised loot system.

If that's the case, then I hope I'd hope it's more of the same for Fallout 4. But I think I remember them specifically mentioning it in a vault.

So it doesn't count in 3 if that's the case.

How did Fallout 3 make it canon?

There were jet containers in some of the sealed vaults, but that was more of a result of the randomised loot system.

If that's the case, then I hope I'd hope it's more of the same for Fallout 4. But I think I remember them specifically mentioning it in a vault.

It's in that vault with the gunners. The vault received shipments of Jet alongside a load of other drugs, thus implying that Jet existed before the war.

Damn I have to get a Next-generation console to play the superior version of Skyrim that PC doesnt get.

Thank you for making me laugh lol

What single person who doesnt have it on PC doesnt have it modded.

Me

Actually funny you say that, would you mod it to the same level as the 'special' edition now, because thats technically what the dev wants to do with their game.

Youd be changing it to what it is going to be

lmao, fallout fanboys freak out over any change to the precious original games

some change is good

jet not being myron's creation is good

taking the BoS in a different direction, and then having that direction be straightened out after the arbiter of it died, is good

ghouls not needing food is bad

fusion cores are bad

]What was unique about them was that they were the Brotherhood of Steel. Lyons' group was NOT the BoS, at all. They were defectors from the Codex. That's the whole fucking point, and why the Outcasts left the "main" group in the first place.

I'm aware of that. And none of the original fans liked that you barely interacted with the outcast outside a DLC months later. and the BoS they put on the cover of the game, and talked about constantly, were the good noble knights of the wasteland. You can say they're NOT the BoS all you want, but the fact they're still white knights doesn't excuse the fact you were forced to interact with them in the main story and have them go completely against their original and loved lore.

That's like making a 40k game where a Space Marine faction is friendly to all aliens and wants to make friends, but it's okay because they're 'not really Space Marines'.

Not all change is inherently bad and needs to have a reason behind it.

I never said it did.

Jet being pre-war is one of the most innocuous and easily explained retcons, and one that makes the source game (Fallout 2) even better. Myron was an egotistical, conniving shit. It only heightens his character that his one claim to fame wasn't even his.

Fallout 3 made it canon by letting you find jet in sealed, pre-war bunkers and vaults.

And that was explained under the randomized loot system, so no I don't think that holds much ground.

Damn I have to get a Next-generation console to play the superior version of Skyrim that PC doesnt get.

Thank you for making me laugh lol

What single person who doesnt have it on PC doesnt have it modded.

Hell its probably the same files

I'm laughing simply because you said the PC doesn't get it, but it's free to us.

Also thats the joke.

Damn I have to get a Next-generation console to play the superior version of Skyrim that PC doesnt get.

Thank you for making me laugh lol

What single person who doesnt have it on PC doesnt have it modded.

Me

Actually funny you say that, would you mod it to the same level as the 'special' edition now, because thats technically what the dev wants to do with their game.

Youd be changing it to what it is going to be

huh, now that is an interesting question

]What was unique about them was that they were the Brotherhood of Steel. Lyons' group was NOT the BoS, at all. They were defectors from the Codex. That's the whole fucking point, and why the Outcasts left the "main" group in the first place.

I'm aware of that. And none of the original fans liked that you barely interacted with the outcast outside a DLC months later. and the BoS they put on the cover of the game, and talked about constantly, were the good noble knights of the wasteland. You can say they're NOT the BoS all you want, but the fact they're still white knights doesn't excuse the fact you were forced to interact with them in the main story and have them go completely against their original and loved lore.

That's like making a 40k game where a Space Marine faction is friendly to all aliens and wants to make friends, but it's okay because they're 'not really Space Marines'.

Big fucking deal, you have to deal with a splinter of a faction instead of the base faction. You're on the opposite end of the country. And then you bitch about the natural progression of defying the Codex, when Fallout 4 had the Maxson line overtake the Lyons line. All of this makes complete sense and actually made the BoS interesting again, but boo hoo, it's a change.

And that was explained under the randomized loot system, so no I don't think that holds much ground.

Randomized loot is still canon.

lmao, fallout fanboys freak out over any change to the precious original games

Not at all. But it's easier to paint a large brush over it to further justify your points

some change is good

As I already said

jet not being myron's creation is good

I disagree and explained why. It's simply changing lore for the sake of changing lore. In a game that has huge lore and history, I am very critical of that. For any game.

taking the BoS in a different direction, and then having that direction be straightened out after the arbiter of it died, is good

Going completely against what they are is good. Okay.

ghouls not needing food is bad

This just reminds me of Bethesda saying it was plausible a ghoul or human or whatever could last 200 years inside a refrigerator without food or water.

fusion cores are bad

They made the armor into the power machine it was always chalked up to be. It's good.

So no, not all changes are bad.

Big fucking deal, you have to deal with a splinter of a faction instead of the base faction. You're on the opposite end of the country. And then you bitch about the natural progression of defying the Codex, when Fallout 4 had the Maxson line overtake the Lyons line. All of this makes complete sense and actually made the BoS interesting again, but boo hoo, it's a change.

You're using change as the justification to your points when I've stated time and time again that there is nothing wrong with change so long as it's good. It's fine if things changed, but they went the complete opposite direction of the faction they represented, only to go RIGHT BACK in Fallout 4 after listening to fans.

My Space Marine example was perfect for what I am telling you.

Randomized loot is still canon.

Says who? You?

Bethesda really is a lazy developer. They couldn't even add in extra plants and tress to the remaster to make the game look less dead.

tbh I never had a problem with there being a white-knight faction of the brotherhood, but it would've made more sense if THEY were the outcasts.

it was more the fact that you were forced to work with them that sucked

tbh I never had a problem with there being a white-knight faction of the brotherhood, but it would've made more sense if THEY were the outcasts.

it was more the fact that you were forced to work with them that sucked

And the fact they said they hated Ghouls, yet they don't show any signs, or quests of hating them. Anyone in a fucked up world like that, that's 100% good, is inherently flawed if you ask me.

The same way it is in the 40k universe. Even if the humans are mostly what you'd see as the "good" guys in that world, they're still insanely fucked up and xenophobic.

The same way the NCR is seen as "good" but is insanely corrupt and money hungry with a war mongerer as President. Or the Brotherhood who is insanely isolated and won't take in any more members.

tbh I never had a problem with there being a white-knight faction of the brotherhood, but it would've made more sense if THEY were the outcasts.

it was more the fact that you were forced to work with them that sucked

And the fact they said they hated Ghouls, yet they don't show any signs, or quests of hating them. Anyone in a fucked up world like that, that's 100% good, is inherently flawed if you ask me.

The same way it is in the 40k universe. Even if the humans are mostly what you'd see as the "good" guys in that world, they're still insanely fucked up and xenophobic.

oh shit I forgot that they hated ghouls

oh shit I forgot that they hated ghouls

Everyone did

because they didn't flesh the BoS out at all in Fallout 3. Credit to them for actually making them a flawed faction again in 4. All of them are flawed in their own way, and that's a lot of what Fallout is about.

I disagree and explained why. It's simply changing lore for the sake of changing lore. In a game that has huge lore and history, I am very critical of that. For any game.

Yeah, your only reason was "it's an unneccesary change". I actually gave reasons why it made Fallout 2 and the character of Myron retroactively better.

Going completely against what they are is good. Okay.

Yep, after making a huge walk from Lost Hills to The Pitt to DC, seeing countless horrors along the way and dying wastelanders who he had to ignore out of some old book, it's completely unreasonable for Elder Lyons to try to be more compassionate and helpful to the residents of the East Coast when he eventually settled there. It's completely unreasonable for the diehard BoS members to hate him for that, and break off to remain true to the actual BoS. Totally doesn't have any story value or interesting concept behind it. It would be TOTALLY better for Lyons to be another faceless, generic BoS operative who's diehard to the Codex and doesn't change a thing about their organization, and for that facelessness to carry into the F4 BoS.

The horrors of dynamic storytelling, where experiences change people, and they have to deal with the repercussions of that change.

Anyway, I need to sleep. I'll reply to whatever post you give me tomorrow, Class.

They made the armor into the power machine it was always chalked up to be. It's good.
So no, not all changes are bad.

In Fallout 3 and NV power armor is basically useless since you can still take damage from a Ghoul or a human punching you. If it wasn't or the strength increase there would be no reason at all to wear it. In Fallout 1 and 2 on the other hand normal melee attacks and small arms didn't harm you at all. It is nice to see power armor going back to what it originally was and it being a walking tank.

as someone who has only played fallout 3, i can tell you that, though the brotherhood were sorta kinda the white knights of the wasteland, they still had this aura about them that made me not want to trust them fully every single time i interacted with them

oh shit I forgot that they hated ghouls

Everyone did

because they didn't flesh the BoS out at all in Fallout 3. Credit to them for actually making them a flawed faction again in 4. All of them are flawed in their own way, and that's a lot of what Fallout is about.

Yeah, their portrayal could have been better. I was more talking about their goal of helping wastelanders when I said "white-knight" rather than them being completely 100% good-guys.

Terry Cruz come back

Big fucking deal, you have to deal with a splinter of a faction instead of the base faction. You're on the opposite end of the country. And then you bitch about the natural progression of defying the Codex, when Fallout 4 had the Maxson line overtake the Lyons line. All of this makes complete sense and actually made the BoS interesting again, but boo hoo, it's a change.

You're using change as the justification to your points when I've stated time and time again that there is nothing wrong with change so long as it's good. It's fine if things changed, but they went the complete opposite direction of the faction they represented, only to go RIGHT BACK in Fallout 4 after listening to fans.

My Space Marine example was perfect for what I am telling you.

Except the BoS in F4 was a blend of their original goals and Lyons' influence, as seen by the fact that they recruit wastelanders and have a tolerance for sane ghouls. EC BoS has never returned to the exclusion and bigotry that the WC BoS had.

Says who? You?

Uh, yeah. If you find something in a container, it's there.

Anyway, I need to sleep. I'll reply to whatever post you give me tomorrow, Class.

i would highly suggest making a separate thread, lest everyone who's just here for E3 gets caught in the crossfire

Anyway, I need to sleep. I'll reply to whatever post you give me tomorrow, Class.

i would highly suggest making a separate thread, lest everyone who's just here for E3 gets caught in the crossfire

Damn I have to get a Next-generation console to play the superior version of Skyrim that PC doesnt get.

Thank you for making me laugh lol

What single person who doesnt have it on PC doesnt have it modded.

Hell its probably the same files

All they did was upscale it to 1080p, put in a filter, and throw in FO4s god rays. It's likely that your modded version of skyrim looks and runs better than it.

tbh I never had a problem with there being a white-knight faction of the brotherhood, but it would've made more sense if THEY were the outcasts.

it was more the fact that you were forced to work with them that sucked

That wouldn't make any sense. The only reason the BoS was "good" in Fallout 3 was because of Lyons. If he wasn't elder, they would be the same cookie cutter anti-villiains they were in the originals. And no Brotherhood member would actually go far enough to betray the organization and defect from it unless they believed that they were completely justified in doing so and had to do it. Defecting to help out the Capitol Wasteland and save people? What fucking knight or paladin would do that? Defecting to defend the Codex and the purpose of the Brotherhood? Almost any knight or paladin would at least consider it.

I definitely agree that you should've been able to choose your faction in F3, though. Would be interesting to be able to choose from Lyons' BoS, the Outcasts/original BoS, the Enclave, or independent.

Damn I have to get a Next-generation console to play the superior version of Skyrim that PC doesnt get.

Thank you for making me laugh lol

What single person who doesnt have it on PC doesnt have it modded.

Hell its probably the same files

All they did was upscale it to 1080p, put in a filter, and throw in FO4s god rays. It's likely that your modded version of skyrim looks and runs better than it.

ah

well that answers your question, batch--i would definitely buy the remaster over modding it

So uh, can a FO4 guy correct me if I'm wrong here, but did they literally take a mod by a user about making Vaults and put it in the game as an official thing?

Damn I have to get a Next-generation console to play the superior version of Skyrim that PC doesnt get.

Thank you for making me laugh lol

What single person who doesnt have it on PC doesnt have it modded.

Hell its probably the same files

All they did was upscale it to 1080p, put in a filter, and throw in FO4s god rays. It's likely that your modded version of skyrim looks and runs better than it.

ah

well that answers your question, batch--i would definitely buy the remaster over modding it

Not as interesting....or really much of an understanding answer then I would have wanted, but I guess that's your answer.