Dark Souls is easily one of the best games of all time.

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No. Stop comparing NPCs to humans. They're two fundamentally different things.
Explain how they are other than being more difficult bcause they can think. Good enemy intelligence is good for a game, not bad.
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Because it's a form of consent. Without it, the player cannot be blamed for getting invaded, because he had no way of knowing you could get invaded in this game until it happened.
The player had no way of knowing that entering a fog-gate would lead to a boss, the player had no way of knowing how much damage an enemy attack would do, the player had no idea of knowing if there was fall damage or not, the player had no way of knowing xxxxxxxxx. The player isn't instakilled when they are invaded, they have a fair chance at killing the invader.
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No, because, again, NPCs are not people.
But you had no idea it would happen, which is the reason invasions are bad right? An NPC invasion is functionally the same as being invaded by a retard. I think you just have issues with the fact that players are more challenging without artificial number tweaking.
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But not invasions.
The back of the box doesn't have to explain the entire game to you, that's what a manual is for. Which funnily enough, explains invasions.
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Demon's Souls>Dark Souls


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ITT:

Verb: I do not like this mechanic and so it's a bad game and my personal opinion is now fact.
Everyone else: No you're not allowed to dislike this cause muh Dark Souls superiority complex.
I can think of a dozen reasons to dislike dark souls but comparing it to rape isn't one of them



But would Verb rather play Dark Souls, or have 100 babies born ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I'm so sorry. It was just too easy


 
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Geez, you two really know how to take a nice vibe of a thread and really degrade it with this useless arguing that's happened before about 4 times on this same exact topic.

I'm done talking about this stupid thing. Verb I'll engage you in actual Dark Souls thoughts whenever you actually get to playing it, rather than your pre-made judgement of it (no that's not an insult or a jab). I only told you about the offline thing for your consideration since it offers players an option in case they don't want to play online like the vast majority of their audience wants to.
Well, I'm sort of conflicted, because on one hand, I would love to just play offline the entire playthrough. Fuck those cunts.

But at the same time, I'm sort of deliberately avoiding part of what makes the game so fun for a lot of people, so maybe I should enable the multiplayer at least once, or something. I don't know.

I'll figure it out when I make it there, I guess.
You're only missing out on seeing the "INVADED BY *blank" or "SUMMONED *blank*". All of the lore, dialogue, weapons, story, music, etc, is still there. Whether it be offline or online, you're playing 100% the same game, just without other players wandering around in it.

Edit: I realized you two argued over stupid stuff

I'll just wait for you to play the game before I engage in this conversation. So you actually have more knowledge to it.
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Explain how they are other than being more difficult bcause they can think. Good enemy intelligence is good for a game, not bad.
"Explain how they're different, except don't tell me exactly how they are different."

Human beings have agency. Well, okay--I don't believe in agency, because I'm a determinist, but the point is that we have the propensity to dissuade each other from exhibiting undesirable or detrimental behaviors, simply by expressing disapproval, via logical argument or otherwise. In other words, human beings can change their behavior for the better.

NPCs cannot. They do what they're programmed to do. They cannot consent. They do not have agency.
They can only change if we change their programming.

I mean, this is just a little bit retarded, isn't it? I don't think I should have to explain to you the difference between a human consciousness and a man-made unconsciousness.

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BThe player had no way of knowing that entering a fog-gate would lead to a boss, the player had no way of knowing how much damage an enemy attack would do, the player had no idea of knowing if there was fall damage or not, the player had no way of knowing xxxxxxxxx. The player isn't instakilled when they are invaded, they have a fair chance at killing the invader.
In situations where at least two free agents are involved, consent MUST take place first before they interact in any way.

One agent and an AI isn't the same scenario. AIs cannot consent, and you're playing a game where you are expected to face off against AI at some point or another.

Stop. Comparing. Humans. With. NPCs.

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But you had no idea it would happen, which is the reason invasions are bad right?
Uh. No.

As I've stated repeatedly, the reason invasions are bad is because they aren't consensual.

Consent requires two sentient human organisms.

I know you're a little bit slow on the consent subject, but try... not to be.
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The back of the box doesn't have to explain the entire game to you, that's what a manual is for. Which funnily enough, explains invasions.
Fair enough.

Thing is, expecting people to read game manuals in the year two thousand fifteen is like expecting people to read fine print, or those big-ass Terms of Service agreements. We should read these things, absolutely. But you can't expect anyone to, and they really shouldn't have to in order to play the game and enjoy it.

There should be a disclaimer in-game.


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you're playing a game where you are expected to face off against AI at some point or another.

You are also playing a game where you are expected to face off against a person at some point or another. It's avoidable, but still, one of the key components of the game is PvP.

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There should be a disclaimer in-game.

For 99% of people, this isn't an issue.


 
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you shouldn't need hints at all.
>"you should get warned by the game" -Verbatim

Ok then
Hints telling you how to play the game better =/= A disclaimer stating that the game is played by cunts and trolls.

Moron.


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Mind not shitting up my thread with your worthless posts?

Thanks.

He has the audacity to call this thread shit when he contributes absolutely nothing of value to this forum.


 
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There should be a disclaimer in-game.
For 99% of people, this isn't an issue.
Just because 99% of people are idiots who are okay with being fucked over doesn't mean that I am.


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There should be a disclaimer in-game.
For 99% of people, this isn't an issue.
Just because 99% of people are idiots who are okay with being fucked over doesn't mean that I am.

You need to see this from the perspective of a developer trying to make money. They generally don't focus on what the tiny minority care about. It might suck for the tiny minority, but that's just how it is.

Look at Fallout 4, for example.
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It's a game.

You're not actually being harmed. The point of the game is that you CAN invade people.

It was a little weird at first, but that's the point of them game. That's what te developers intentionally did. And it works. You'll find most of the time people are looking for a fair duel either way.
I play games to have fun, surprise surprise, and it's a little hard to have fun when the game allows you to fucking ruin people's progress and shit, just by pressing a button. It's just so fucked. It's not about getting harmed--it's a matter of not wasting other people's time and just letting them have fun.

And if you think invading people is fun, well, you're a piece of shit. That's all I have to say about that.


 
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You need to see this from the perspective of a developer trying to make money. They generally don't focus on what the tiny minority care about. It might suck for the tiny minority, but that's just how it is.

Look at Fallout 4, for example.
Well, okay, but don't expect me to be happy about it.


 
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Every game is played by cunts and trolls.

There's no disclaimer that your teammate can spawn kill you in Halo 3. I don't see you complain about that.

At least in Dark Souls there's a point to it, and it's immersive.
You know what you're signing up for in Halo. You don't in Dark Souls, until it happens.

All I want is a disclaimer. I hear Bloodborne did it right. It asks you if you want to play hollow right away, so I hear.

Dark Souls should be the same way.


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It's a game.

You're not actually being harmed. The point of the game is that you CAN invade people.

It was a little weird at first, but that's the point of them game. That's what te developers intentionally did. And it works. You'll find most of the time people are looking for a fair duel either way.
I play games to have fun, surprise surprise, and it's a little hard to have fun when the game allows you to fucking ruin people's progress and shit, just by pressing a button. It's just so fucked. It's not about getting harmed--it's a matter of not wasting other people's time and just letting them have fun.

And if you think invading people is fun, well, you're a piece of shit. That's all I have to say about that.

You really are making a mountain out of a molehill. Death only hampers progress a little, and invaders these days are few and far between. Also, if you tell them that you don't want to fight, sometimes they have the courtesy to black crystal out of there. Unless you come across an asshole who likes to prey on people trying to play a game, that is.

PvPers usually stick to places like the Forest that were designed for PvP.


 
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Every game is played by cunts and trolls.

There's no disclaimer that your teammate can spawn kill you in Halo 3. I don't see you complain about that.

At least in Dark Souls there's a point to it, and it's immersive.
You know what you're signing up for in Halo. You don't in Dark Souls, until it happens.

All I want is a disclaimer. I hear Bloodborne did it right. It asks you if you want to play hollow right away, so I hear.

Dark Souls should be the same way.

That's what you're signing up for when you play Dark Souls, as well.


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Every game is played by cunts and trolls.

There's no disclaimer that your teammate can spawn kill you in Halo 3. I don't see you complain about that.

At least in Dark Souls there's a point to it, and it's immersive.
You know what you're signing up for in Halo. You don't in Dark Souls, until it happens.

All I want is a disclaimer. I hear Bloodborne did it right. It asks you if you want to play hollow right away, so I hear.

Dark Souls should be the same way.

Dark Souls is one of their older games. Of course Bloodborne improves on some aspects.