Dark Souls Impressions - The FINAL Update

Bloodborne actually gives you the option to play offline or online, which is neat (It's the first thing you do when you load up the game)

Yeah, just play offline if you want to avoid being invaded

It's not ideal, but... You'll get to properly review the game at least, without having to skip out on being human

In what way is it not ideal? Not ever getting invaded sounds like a pretty unstoppable deal to me.

I know I won't get to read messages (which is another plus), and I won't be able to summon people to help (which I wouldn't have ever done anyway), so is there anything else?

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Yeah, just play offline if you want to avoid being invaded

It's not ideal, but... You'll get to properly review the game at least, without having to skip out on being human

In what way is it not ideal? Not ever getting invaded sounds like a pretty unstoppable deal to me.

I know I won't get to read messages (which is another plus), and I won't be able to summon people to help (which I wouldn't have ever done anyway), so is there anything else?

Naw, I guess there isn't anything you'd be missing out on, I suppose my thinking was just you having to go offline to avoid something "That shouldn't even be in the game", if I'm going at this from your perspective

Bloodborne actually gives you the option to play offline or online, which is neat (It's the first thing you do when you load up the game)

Yeah, I think Aria told me that. I have to give Bloodborne credit there--that is a serious improvement (even though I'm the only person in the world who gives a fuck).

I'll respond to this later, but just know a great deal of my trepidation over this game has pretty much vanished, because I just now learned from Batch that it's possible to play offline while still being human, as you stated (I was under the impression that you were stuck as Hollow until you went online--which would have been fucking stupid).

That's a good thing--I only wish that it functioned like Bloodborne does, where it asks you within the game itself.

Once again Flee makes a very well informed post.

I hate how eloquent you are ~.~

I feel so dumb in comparison.

He didn't, though. Like I said, I'll tear it apart later.

I'll respond to this later, but just know a great deal of my trepidation over this game has pretty much vanished, because I just now learned from Batch that it's possible to play offline while still being human, as you stated (I was under the impression that you were stuck as Hollow until you went online--which would have been fucking stupid).

That's a good thing--I only wish that it functioned like Bloodborne does, where it asks you within the game itself.

Even if you loved PvP like I did, Bloodborne isn't that fantastic with it. Even with enemy human NPC's it just feels like a bunch of jumping and flailing around. The only "skill" would be to time your shots to counter the, but that's it. The game certainly captures the atmosphere, but it's easily the least interesting of the Souls games I've played in terms of story, characters, and replayability.

He didn't, though. Like I said, I'll tear it apart later.

I was about to edit. Replace "good point" with "well informed".

I'll respond to this later, but just know a great deal of my trepidation over this game has pretty much vanished, because I just now learned from Batch that it's possible to play offline while still being human, as you stated (I was under the impression that you were stuck as Hollow until you went online--which would have been fucking stupid).

That's a good thing--I only wish that it functioned like Bloodborne does, where it asks you within the game itself.

Even if you loved PvP like I did, Bloodborne isn't that fantastic with it. Even with enemy human NPC's it just feels like a bunch of jumping and flailing around. The only "skill" would be to time your shots to counter the, but that's it. The game certainly captures the atmosphere, but it's easily the least interesting of the Souls games I've played in terms of story, characters, and replayability.

I'm planning on finishing it sometime soon, but I doubt I could replay it, there doesn't seem like there's much to it beyond the first playthrough

you all got me addicted to ff xiv so im stuck playing that though

Like I said, I'll tear it apart later.

Also, this sounds very arrogant, but it may just be the wording you used.

Anyway, we may never see eye to eye on it, but Flee brought up a good point when he said "You may not like it, but that doesn't make it objectively bad game design."

I'm planning on finishing it sometime soon, but I doubt I could replay it, there doesn't seem like there's much to it beyond the first playthrough

you all got me addicted to ff xiv so im stuck playing that though

Dark Souls 2 is the one I've sank most hours into due to the replayability it offers. And good :>

Like I said, I'll tear it apart later.

Also, this sounds very arrogant. We may never see eye to eye on it, but Flee brought up a good point when he said "You may not like it, but that doesn't make it objectively bad game design."

It does if I can demonstrate it, and I think I can (and have). You seem to have a problem with me injecting my moral philosophy into video games, and I just don't know why it's an issue. It's based on two fundamental axioms--1. Games are meant to be fun, and 2. Consent is the cornerstone of fun.

I know you're done with the subject, but I just don't see how anyone could have an issue with my logic there.

I'm planning on finishing it sometime soon, but I doubt I could replay it, there doesn't seem like there's much to it beyond the first playthrough

you all got me addicted to ff xiv so im stuck playing that though

Dark Souls 2 is the one I've sank most hours into due to the replayability it offers. And good :>

I wanna get the remaster of DaS2 at some point

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>haven't even started playing yet

wew

I implore you to ignore any more arguments about the ethics of invading, if you don't want this to keep getting bigger before you even start

I wanna see what you think of the game, not the same arguments all over again

I implore you to ignore any more arguments about the ethics of invading, if you don't want this to keep getting bigger before you even start

I wanna see what you think of the game, not the same arguments all over again

Same tbh. You're right--I've pretty much made my point by now. Time to move on. We can try to discuss it when/if it becomes relevant later.

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Can I have a boss list so I know hiw far he's got?

Like, in a spoiler tag. I know fuck all about ds.

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if you don't want this to keep getting bigger

For you

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>haven't even started playing yet

wew

We're all a bit Fuddy Duddy today.

Who says consent is the measure of value to a competitive game?

I do. Consent is the measure of value for all human activity.

In Street Fighter, you are not forced to fight people online. You have options to kick people you don't want to play against from your server. Every fight is consensual.

It's a fighting game, and you have to give your express consent for each fight.

Good game design.

All games have variables that consent does no account for, what if your opponent is more skilled than you because of naturally fluid MMR? What happens if your opponent uses weapons or strategies you never explicitly permissed?

All that matters is if I want to play you in the first place. If I don't want to play you, I should be able to kick you out. Anything beyond that doesn't matter. It's similar to anti-natalism in a way--I wouldn't have a single motherfucking problem with life if you could simply consent to your own birth, but you cannot do that.

Likewise, you can't consent to being invaded in Dark Souls, and I consider that shit game design. SHIT game design.

Once you solve that problem, I don't give a fuck about any other variables--you've solved the one big variable that matters. You don't have to consent to your opponent using certain strategies--that's retarded. If you don't want to play someone you know is going to use a particular strategy, don't play that person. That's the game.

Oh, that's because whether or not those things matters depends on the context of an individual game. Want to know why there aren't popular gametypes like that? Because it favors the home playing field at all times. You are only consenting to play when it is within your comfort zone. It is not an objectively worse or unethical design, it is a different design made for the purpose of incorporating elements of challenge and risk, because those elements are what make games rewarding when your risks pay off as a result of your skills. With this consent shite you are arbitrarily holding up as the standard of a game, you are just eliminating the value of game design itself.

Because I don't think that particular design choice has any value.

Indeed--it has negative value.

It's like you're reading a book meant to be a tragedy and complaining that it is objectively worse to the reader because it doesn't make them feel happy in the end compared to a fairy-tale. You refuse to acknowledge what the intended effect of the damn thing is and then try to give it some objective value or quality.

What a categorically shit comparison. A better comparison would be if I were reading a book, and every once in awhile, someone tried to snatch the book away from me as I was trying to read it, for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I ask them why, they tell me, "It's part of the experience."

If that's part of the experience, then it's a shit experience.

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What a joke.

I doubt anyone actually understood the points you were making.

Why isn't it important that you consent to the strategies your opponent will use? If consent is truly the empericism standard. Would you consent to someone coming over for a fencing match and you only find out he was bringing a broadsword once you start fighting? Would you consent to a game of chess when the opponent wants to play checkers?

Or is part of playing a game with an established set of rules independent of your preferences? In chess your opponent can castle, in Dark Souls your opponents can enter at will. If you must consent to enter a world why do you not have to consent to spamming Dark Bead other than it personally doesn't bother you when it most certainly bothers other people.

I think the whole consent thing is a bit far-fetch'd. You decided on your own to play this game, knowing such things can happen, the fact you don't know when is annoying, but the fact you know it can happen, and you still choose to continue is completely overriding the fact of someone saying they don't consent to a certain feature of a product, no necessarily Dark Souls.

I think playing Offline is a completely sensible response to that. But I don't think the ethics argument belongs here, not yet. When we go full dive into VR.....then that will probably become an issue (which would be an interesting discussion), but for now it is not an apparent problem.

Or is part of playing a game with an established set of rules independent of your preferences?

In my opinion, yes.

Are you playing without any hints or walkthrough tips?

Are you playing without any hints or walkthrough tips?

Preferably. I might have a few questions about some things, but yeah, as usual, I'd like this to be as blind as possible.

Are you playing without any hints or walkthrough tips?

Preferably. I might have a few questions about some things, but yeah, as usual, I'd like this to be as blind as possible.

tbh there are a few things in the game that are basically wiki or bust

Spoiler

ceaseless, he was very shit design

Are you playing without any hints or walkthrough tips?

Preferably. I might have a few questions about some things, but yeah, as usual, I'd like this to be as blind as possible.

Ah right. Just saiyan, because there's some weird or vague things in there that are obscure or obtuse as hell that can leave you stumped, which you will probably chalk down to bad game design or something.