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Also that artstyle makes me want to throw up. It's stylised and animated well but now I know how people feel regarding Warframe.

But Warframe is a shit game though that tried to cash in on the Destiny hype

>cash-in
>free to play

They're making money somehow.

they cant cash in on another game's hype if its free

Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean they aren't making money.

I don't know how much more clear that can be made, and frankly I don't think repeating myself is going to help you figure it out.

they only make money if you're enjoying the game via buying platinum -- something you wouldn't do if you're just waiting for destiny to be released. if you spent money on warframe during that time, i'd say the game transitioned from riding on the rails of destiny to forming its own source of interest within players.

the point i'm trying to make is that warframe, especially in its early days, was so distinctly different from what it is today that it could hardly be called a destiny lookalike. today's game could be, but not 1.0

Buddy, I don't know shit about shit, but people often ask me why I play Destiny when I could just play Warframe.

Alls I sees is two similar games that are both making money, and which you've just told me one changed to emulate the other.

If that's not cashing in, I'm not sure I know what cashing in is.

Quote from: Ossus on October 02, 2017, 06:07:55 PM

Alls I sees is two similar games that are both making money, and which you've just told me one changed to emulate the other.

If that's not cashing in, I'm not sure I know what cashing in is.

Warframe didn't try to emulate Destiny, though. They just happen to be similar.

But even if they did emulate Destiny, it's still a free-to-play game that you don't have to spend a dime on, and it does what it sets out to do better than Bungie does. So, it's still not cashing-in.

You say it didn't used to be like Destiny, but as the game got older, it became more like it.

As I've said, I don’t really know anything but what I've been told about Warframe, but drawing conclusions isn't hard here.

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Someone cashing in on something doesn't have anything to do with what the end user may or may not spend.

Facebook is free, but they're sure as shit cashing in on people's desire to broadcast themselves.

The question isn't, "Am I spending money?", it's, "Are they making money?"

That doesn't have to be a negative accusation, so there's really no reason to get up in arms about the fact that someone is cashing in on a fad.

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You say it didn't used to be like Destiny, but as the game got older, it became more like it.

The two aren't linked. The similarities between Destiny and Warframe arose during the year after Warframe's release and stopped appearing after Destiny's. If anything Destiny has taken more cues from Warframe after its release.

Someone cashing in on something doesn't have anything to do with what the end user may or may not spend.

You can't "cash in" on something if you're not making money. That's what "cashing in" means. That's why "cash" is in the sentence.

Facebook is free, but they're sure as shit cashing in on people's desire to broadcast themselves.

The difference is Facebook makes money just by you using it thanks to ad revenue and sponsorships. Warframe doesn't make a dime unless you choose to spend money.

The question isn't, "Am I spending money?", it's, "Are they making money?"

And if all you're doing is playing the game to satiate your desire for Destiny without spending money on Platinum (in-game currency), the answer is "No."

That doesn't have to be a negative accusation, so there's really no reason to get up in arms about the fact that someone is cashing in on a fad.

I'm just saying the accusation is false. Destiny often gets unfavourably compared to Warframe because Warframe is the free underdog that people tend to overlook. I'd say Warframe is better because it has far more depth and it's just more fun on a fundamental level but it's also more work to stay on-top of the meta and it's less accessible.

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Quote from: Ossus on October 02, 2017, 06:19:46 PM

You say it didn't used to be like Destiny, but as the game got older, it became more like it.

The two aren't linked. The similarities between Destiny and Warframe arose during the year after Warframe's release and stopped appearing after Destiny's. If anything Destiny has taken more cues from Warframe after its release.

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Someone cashing in on something doesn't have anything to do with what the end user may or may not spend.

You can't "cash in" on something if you're not making money. That's what "cashing in" means. That's why "cash" is in the sentence.

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Facebook is free, but they're sure as shit cashing in on people's desire to broadcast themselves.

The difference is Facebook makes money just by you using it thanks to ad revenue and sponsorships. Warframe doesn't make a dime unless you choose to spend money.

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The question isn't, "Am I spending money?", it's, "Are they making money?"

And if all you're doing is playing the game to satiate your desire for Destiny without spending money on Platinum (in-game currency), the answer is "No."

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That doesn't have to be a negative accusation, so there's really no reason to get up in arms about the fact that someone is cashing in on a fad.

I'm just saying the accusation is false. Destiny often gets unfavourably compared to Warframe because Warframe is the free underdog that people tend to overlook. I'd say Warframe is better because it has far more depth and it's just more fun on a fundamental level but it's also more work to stay on-top of the meta and it's less accessible.

So what you're saying is they're cashing in.

You don't seem to get that just because you haven't spent any money doesn't mean they aren't making any.

You don't seem to get that they're not making money if you don't spend any.

Looks really fucking fun, but I need to finish Metroid Samus Returns first

How far are you

Also, the the hell is Boogie2988 throwing a salt fit over this game?

Quote from: Spartan on October 01, 2017, 09:46:36 PM

Looks really fucking fun, but I need to finish Metroid Samus Returns first

How far are you

4 hours in at Area 3

But they're still making it.
And if they stopped making money,  they would shut the servers down.
But they haven't, because they are making money.

It's not rocket surgery.

Jesus christ.

Obviously they are making money. The argument we're having is that they're not making money via cashing in on Destiny's hype. Keep up.

Let me recap for you:

Jono says Warframe is a shit game that tried to cash in on the Destiny hype.

I claim the game did no such thing because it would be impossible; it is a free game.

You came in and said something real intelligent like, "They're making money somehow, the game wouldn't exist if they weren't." as if that's news to anyone.

Noticing you don't watch Rick and Morty, and are thus of lower intelligence, I reiterate to clarify that Warframe could only cash-in on the Destiny hype if players felt obligated to spend money on Platinum, which they would only do if they were enthralled enough with the game to deem it worthy of purchase, at which point would I argue that they are no longer simply playing the game in wait for Destiny, but because they are enjoying it.

You then followed up with saying that free things like Facebook make money, so clearly all free things can make their money back by simply existing. (This is, by the way, contradictory to your next brilliant response.) Unfortunately, you overlooked that Warframe contains NONE of the methods social media sites use to make money, like advertisements and sponsorships, which I point out to you.

So again, if you're not spending money on Platinum, the developers aren't making money. Players who played Warframe in anticipation of Destiny did not spend money on Platinum. So, Warframe is making no money by cashing in on Destiny's hype.

And finally, you respond that the developers must be making money somehow or the game would cease to exist, which is so far from the point of the argument that I felt a "Previously On" segment like this was required.

All good now?

The game itself is the progeny of Destiny hype. That's the point of this conversation.

No, it isn't. The game came out a year before Destiny's release and was in development before Destiny was even announced. The concepts that make the two ever more similar were introduced before Destiny's mold was known, so it's impossible DE would have known what to copy. It's a coincidence.

So that's how it is.

Fuck off you weebs. This isn't a Warframe thread.

I'll just drop it here if someone interesting.

i just bought it. about to play

Quote from: Ossus on October 04, 2017, 01:25:46 AM

The point is that it came out before Destiny. That's the best time to cash in on hype. There's a reason no publisher would pick up Warframe, and it's not because it's a bad game. It's because the industry knew exactly what was coming with Destiny, and didn't want to back a doomed horse. DE even recognized this when the went to self-publish,  and realized the only way they could get the game established without competing against Bungie's juggernaut would be to structure it as F2P.

The fact that Warframe is still around is only a testament to how well they cashed in on that hype.

Contributing to this derailment pls no ban

Warframes concept was created way earlier before Destiny in Dark Sector, their first original game. Their ideas for Dark Sector were shafted because of the publisher. They wanted to do something thats closer to what Warframe is now but publisher said no because it wouldnt sell.

Thats why nobody wanted to pick up Warframe, industry was still in the brown doom and gloom phase. Youre factually wrong.

he was just trying to get a rise out of me, dont waste your time