How exactly would it be filthy?

Give me any sexual fetish and I will tell you why it's filthy.

The good in life is not offset by the bad in life. That's why you should hate it. It's zero-sum game.
You can be satisfied with your own life all you want--but you can't say that life is worth it as a whole.

Really though, how do you go about life daily without having constant mental breakdowns? Given how miserable you are it astonishes me that you're able to function like a normal person in any capacity.

I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to talk about my personal life with you. Either stay on the subject or shut the fuck up.

Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 23, 2015, 02:14:21 PM

I feel like this discussion doesn't really have anything to do with misogyny anymore tbh.

Let the Verb v. World arguments commence

Well, it's just one of those things where I just have a fundamental disagreement with someone else's values.

You can't believe this, unless you concede this, this, this, and that first.

Once you agree that sexuality is just a filthy product of human psychology that isn't worth celebrating in interactive media, then you can start identifying much easier the ways in which the female body is exploited in video games.

But you can't do that unless you identify why you should hate sexuality first, and that's why these broader subjects crop up. It's necessary to discuss them in order to see where I'm coming from.

Maybe it's just pessimistic thinking on my part, but there's a slim-to-none chance that any of the people you're talking to will concede that. This is going to be 10+ pages of whether sexuality is disgusting or not, then whether humanity should exist or not, then the final solution.

Maybe it's just pessimistic thinking on my part, but there's a slim-to-none chance that any of the people you're talking to will concede that. This is going to be 10+ pages of whether sexuality is disgusting or not, then whether humanity should exist or not, then the final solution.

Oh, of course they're not gonna concede that. They're too lost in the status quo. So why am I arguing?

Good question.

Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 23, 2015, 02:28:08 PM

Maybe it's just pessimistic thinking on my part, but there's a slim-to-none chance that any of the people you're talking to will concede that. This is going to be 10+ pages of whether sexuality is disgusting or not, then whether humanity should exist or not, then the final solution.

Oh, of course they're not gonna concede that. They're too lost in the status quo. So why am I arguing?

Good question.

Because it's entertaining to get into heated arguments on the internet. Especially with you.

Why do any of you care about Verbatim's retarded opinions?

"I think sexuality is disgusting"

Ok. Good for you. Ducking drop it people. Everybody's welcome to their retarded opinions. We don't need a 10 page argument of the same shit every time he starts peddling his bullshit.

You ever bump into somebody who you think is making a mistake and saying or doing something wrong, and you really, really feel like correcting them?

Verb is essentially a walking magnet for that impulse, since he's essentially a walking negative. People don't let things and views that are different slide so easily.

Oh. And you'd better answer my statement there Verb. I stated something from my own perspective. Something that I see as positive. Something that attracts me.

I want to see if you can point out anything to me that would make me think about my stance in another light, since from your stance, anything and everything sexual is filthy. You're likely the only person who could find anything disgusting in that sort of exchange.

And if I'm off on context, I can provide more. I'm always actively aware of my own body. Sometimes on my own, if it's quiet, I zone out and take notice and specific focus of things. Like pulse. Or muscles. Or heartbeat.

To me, sharing something so intimate with somebody else, being able to just feel all of that, all of those little differences in another body, and effectively sharing that space with somebody else, who is uniquely apart from you, is enticing to me.

More than anything hardline sexual.

Quote from: Deadtrap on October 23, 2015, 02:43:19 PM

Oh. And you'd better answer my statement there Verb. Because I just stated something from my own perspective. Something that I see as positive. Something that attracts me.

I want to see if you can point out anything to me that would make me think about my stance in another light, since from your stance, anything and everything sexual is filthy.

Do you recall the discussion I had with a couple users on dopamine?

Chemical substance that shows up in response to something that makes you feel good.

What exactly would be filthy about that?

Quote from: Deadtrap on October 23, 2015, 02:57:10 PM

Chemical substance that shows up in response to something that makes you feel good.

What exactly would be filthy about that?

The idea that you'd receive them for decidedly unproductive reasons.

And what counts as productive in your eyes?

I mean that in the sense of a universal constant. Give me something that is universally productive to do at all times. We assign meaning to our existence don't we? Therefore, something that means anything to us can count as productive can it not?

Quote from: Deadtrap on October 23, 2015, 03:01:40 PM

And what counts as productive in your eyes?

I mean that in the sense of a universal constant. Give me something that is universally productive to do at all times. We assign meaning to our existence don't we? Therefore, something that means anything to us can count as productive can it not?

There are objectively productive things, like curing diseases and feeding the hungry, doing good work, that should make you happy.

And you don't think, that let's say, during the night, when it's quiet, and there's no more work to be done for the day, that it wouldn't be nice to enjoy some peace and quiet with somebody close to you? From my stance, I enjoy making people feel good. What's special to me about an intimate partner is that I would have the opportunity to do that.

Objectively, yeah, curing diseases, feeding people, and doing good work is easily a good thing.

But not everybody has the brain to work in a lab. Not every job that involves feeding people is going to take up people who line up to help if they already have their positions filled. I can't fill the quota of somebody working in a lab to cure a disease. And I wouldn't actively work for our system to try and feed people because our system is flawed.

But, I do good work. And I'm not afraid to say that it's likely I work harder than any other person on this forum.

But you can't work 24/7. Human body can't go forever like that. So, I still don't see how it would be disgusting, considering that 90% of my day, is spent unrelated to myself whatsoever.

Your argument there, honestly feels like it's reaching for straws.

If I told you I was a fan of being shit on and rubbing shit all over the place during sex, that'd be a no brainer. But I didn't. I told you something of mine that I think is and should be earned. And doesn't just show up out of the blue. I wouldn't up and say "Let's fuck here and now lol."

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 23, 2015, 11:25:11 AM

Lock Requested.

So I forgot to actually lock it and Elsie pointed out that we shouldn't just rubber stamp lock requests, if people are just disagreeing then that's not really lockable >_>

I thought I reserved the right to lock my own threads arbitrarily? I've done that before.

Quote from: Deadtrap on October 23, 2015, 03:15:46 PM

And you don't think, that let's say, during the night, when it's quiet, and there's no more work to be done for the day, that it wouldn't be nice to enjoy some peace and quiet with somebody close to you? From my stance, I enjoy making people feel good. What's special to me about an intimate partner is that I would have the opportunity to do that.

Me too. The thing is, in my opinion, that kind of thing transcends sexuality, because one's sexuality is all about one's own personal preferences--what makes you feel good, with no regard for anyone else. Once you add other parties into the equation, it becomes less about sexuality, and more about intimacy, and that, to me, is different. Intimacy, and the desire to want to make someone else feel good, is much better than wanting to make yourself feel good (sexuality).

You see, the dirtiness of sexuality comes almost entirely from the selfishness of it. You don't recognize any other parties but your own. To me, that's gross.

Sex isn't so simple though. What about the case of somebody taking and somebody giving? Like a submissive/dominant relationship?

Sex is engaged by two parties, right? Even if it's selfish and centered more around one's pleasure than the other. Both of them want to feel good. And depending on their sexual kinks and who they are, they'll give and recieve to different aspects. If a guy really wants to bone a chick and nothing else, it falls down onto if the lady wants the same thing. Sex doesn't just happen when one party says it does. You need both.

And to me, the act of wanting to give isn't selfless. Think about it. It's an exchange. It's less selfish than other things. But still self centered.

If you help people because you like to help people, and that it makes you happy, then it's still self centered isn't it? It's still an exchange, just in a different manner.

You give your time, or efforts, to somebody. And in exchange, from them, you gain happiness.

That's still selfish. But it's inherently a more productive form of being selfish.

If you help people because you like to help people, and that it makes you happy, then it's still self centered isn't it? It's still an exchange, just in a different manner.

You give your time, or efforts, to somebody. And in exchange, from them, you gain happiness.

That's still selfish.

There are no selfless deeds--everyone knows this. My point is that it makes more sense to be happy over certain things than other things. It makes sense to be happy because someone else is happy. It makes sense to be happy that you just helped someone out.

It doesn't make sense to be happy over making white stuff come out of your dick.
It doesn't make sense to be happy over inhaling cannabis smoke into your lungs.
Et cetera.

If you didn't actually accomplish anything worthwhile, it doesn't make sense to be happy about it.
Which is why I hate dopamine, because it causes us to be pleasured by irrational things.

Last note here. I don't hate people and their tendancies because most of them are involuntary. As far as I'm concerned, the only time hate or dislike is warrented, is when somebody is logically aware of what they're doing, but they choose to do it anyway.

And the second bit, since I know that rather than fix the people you'd prefer to have everybody kick the bucket quietly, I'll level with you here. I don't entirely disagree with anti-natalism. But I'm not on board for the whole deal because of one main reason.

You argue that being born without consent is a shitty thing to do to somebody. I don't get that argument because before you're born, you're nothing. There's nothing of you, to give consent.

So that therefore means you have the choice of consent when you're alive and you exist. Not before you were born. Which falls under the category of uthenasia. Choosing to live, or to die.

And the reason I don't really abide by euthenasia in cases except wher somebody really needs it, is because to me, death is earned.

Death is like going to sleep. It's peace and rest from all the hardships.

That rest is not earned until you live your life and endure all of its hardships until something kills you. You, killing yourself, in my opinion, is not the way to go because you're throwing away everything good that you could accomplish for the sake of merely being unhappy, which is as non rational as all the other human emotions out there.

I figure since we're talking about people understanding things, I may as well level with you here anyway.