Canada's New PM opposes Misogyny in Gaming

 
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Seeing as they were considering a blasphemy law, yeah, I'd see them going the Australia route.

They were never considering that.


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I don't know what stance Canada would take on said things. Just wag their finger and say "it's wrong!"? Or pull an Australia and ban everything left and right?
Seeing as they were considering a blasphemy law, yeah, I'd see them going the Australia route.
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Seeing as they were considering a blasphemy law, yeah, I'd see them going the Australia route.

They were never considering that.
Oh wait, it was only Quebec.
Last Edit: October 22, 2015, 09:54:39 PM by Thunder


 
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Yeah, that was just Quebec and it would never go anywhere.

Fuck, the government was in favour of a niqab ban just less than a week ago. If that doesnt say anti-religious freedom, I don't know what does.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.

Regardless, Trudeau's statement was in reference to the death threats, raids and general harassment of Sarkeesian and co., who are the face of the "feminism in gaming" movement.

I was simply providing context for those two. No need to overreact.
I'm not overreacting, if pointing out where you're missing important details that I think should be mentioned is overreacting, idk how to help you mate.

So, disregarding the whole thing about how the movement, generally speaking of course, since online movements aren't truly controllable, was not with the intent to harass anyone and was in support of better journalistic standards? I've seen some examples of the harassment and death threats and plenty of it is benign stuff, just average 12 yo's that heard some lady was being a mean bitch and decided to give her a few choice words.


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After all this time I hear gamergate and I still don't know what that whole thing is.

Hope this helps.

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The Gamergate controversy began in August 2014 and concerns sexism and progressivism in video game culture. It is most notable for harassment against several feminists in the video game industry, including game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, and cultural critic Anita Sarkeesian. The campaign of harassment was coordinated in IRC channels and online forums such as Reddit, 4chan, and 8chan by an anonymous and amorphous group that ultimately came to be represented by the Twitter hashtag #Gamergate. The harassment included doxing, threats of rape, and death threats as well as being related to a mass shooting threat in protest of an invited speech featuring Sarkeesian.
Gamergate has been described as a manifestation of a culture war over gaming culture diversification, artistic recognition, social criticism of video games, and the gamer social identity. Some of the people using the Gamergate hashtag allege collusion among feminists, progressives, journalists and social critics, which they believe is the cause of increasing social criticism in video game reviews. Some hashtag users have said the goal for their actions is to improve the ethical standards of video game journalism. These concerns have been widely dismissed by commentators as trivial, based on conspiracy theories, unfounded in fact, or unrelated to actual issues of ethics. Users of the hashtag launched email campaigns targeting firms advertising in publications of which they disapproved, asking them to withdraw their advertisements.

Essentially, Gamergate was a movement by neckbeards on reddit, 4chan, etc. against people like Sarkeesian who argue that video game culture is often misogynistic.


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I'm not overreacting

Eh, could just be confirmation bias after your reaction to my comments about Ultron but that isn't relevant.

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if pointing out where you're missing important details that I think should be mentioned is overreacting, idk how to help you mate.

I don't think they're worth mentioning because those important details don't have anything to do with why Trudeau mention GG.


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>isn't a feminist

Can't really take you seriously.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I'm not overreacting

Eh, could just be confirmation bias after your reaction to my comments about Ultron but that isn't relevant.

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if pointing out where you're missing important details that I think should be mentioned is overreacting, idk how to help you mate.

I don't think they're worth mentioning because those important details don't have anything to do with why Trudeau mention GG.
Dude, sandtrap asked he didn't know what the whole thing was about, and you gave him one of the most biased articles you could on the subject. Yes, it's relating to what Trudeau was only thinking about, but that's taking something completely out of the context it originated from.

Do you not feel that you owe it to others to give them fair information from an unbiased source, or at least both sides of the argument and let them develop their own thoughts on it?


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After all this time I hear gamergate and I still don't know what that whole thing is.

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I'd also like to point out the fact that the only reason the news about Zoe Quinn blew up the way it did was because she wrongly DMCAd the really obscure video about it.
If she never did that InternetAristocrat and ReviewTechUSA wouldn't have any reason to blow her spot up.


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>isn't a feminist

Can't really take you seriously.
Please tell me you're joking. Based on your other posts in this thread, I really can't tell.


 
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I don't know what stance Canada would take on said things. Just wag their finger and say "it's wrong!"? Or pull an Australia and ban everything left and right?
Seeing as they were considering a blasphemy law, yeah, I'd see them going the Australia route.
That's pretty shit. If there is one good thing about American's being so adamantly independent, it's that they won't put up with censorship on things they love.

Well, that's not always good.


 
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Do you not feel that you owe it to others to give them fair information from an unbiased source, or at least both sides of the argument and let them develop their own thoughts on it?

No, because if they cared about the issue they would have already learned about it.

The point of my thread was to highlight what Trudeau is in support of -- if I had said, "he opposed the increase in ethical behavior for video game journalists", it wouldn't have really made sense.

Providing the part of GG that Trudeau opposes provides more context. This thread isn't about GamerGate -- it's about Trudeau.


 
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> Donated $70,000 to females making video games and no game site talked about it

Well damn, looks like people are stupid.


 
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I don't know what stance Canada would take on said things. Just wag their finger and say "it's wrong!"? Or pull an Australia and ban everything left and right?
Seeing as they were considering a blasphemy law, yeah, I'd see them going the Australia route.
That's pretty shit. If there is one good thing about American's being so adamantly independent, it's that they won't put up with censorship on things they love.

Well, that's not always good.

They were never considering a blasphemy law.


 
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Please tell me you're joking. Based on your other posts in this thread, I really can't tell.

Joking about what?


 
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Had to update the thread because people missed the point -- again.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Do you not feel that you owe it to others to give them fair information from an unbiased source, or at least both sides of the argument and let them develop their own thoughts on it?

No, because if they cared about the issue they would have already learned about it.

The point of my thread was to highlight what Trudeau is in support of -- if I had said, "he opposed the increase in ethical behavior for video game journalists", it wouldn't have really made sense.

Providing the part of GG that Trudeau opposes provides more context. This thread isn't about GamerGate -- it's about Trudeau.
Mate, may I quote.
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After all this time I hear gamergate and I still don't know what that whole thing is.
If someone is completely oblivious of a subject, and a specific negative attributed to that subject is being discussed, you do not solely inform them of said negatives. As they are completely unaware, you take a step back and explain the term and meaning behind it, you don't continue from the point you are already at.

Not to mention this is the comment you made, further indicating what would appear to be your own heavy bias against gamergate.
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Essentially, Gamergate was a movement by neckbeards on reddit, 4chan, etc. against people like Sarkeesian who argue that video game culture is often misogynistic.
Hell, if you'd at least just outright say you hate all the subhuman swine that support the hashtag, you don't want anyone to know anything positive about it to further your own beliefs, and anyone that doesn't want to be attributed to the label of "feminism", regardless of any further deliberation or context, then at least I'd find that more admirable than trying to dance around this whole discussion.



 
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After all this time I hear gamergate and I still don't know what that whole thing is.
If someone is completely oblivious of a subject, and a specific negative attributed to that subject is being discussed, you do not solely inform them of said negatives. As they are completely unaware, you take a step back and explain the term and meaning behind it, you don't continue from the point you are already at.

You're right. I apologise. Should have provided something better.

I assumed he'd rather just learn about it's context for the purpose of the thread.

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Not to mention this is the comment you made, further indicating what would appear to be your own heavy bias against gamergate.
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Essentially, Gamergate was a movement by neckbeards on reddit, 4chan, etc. against people like Sarkeesian who argue that video game culture is often misogynistic.
Hell, if you'd at least just outright say you hate all the subhuman swine that support the hashtag, you don't want anyone to know anything positive about it to further your own beliefs, and anyone that doesn't want to be attributed to the label of "feminism", regardless of any further deliberation or context, then at least I'd find that more admirable than trying to dance around this whole discussion.

This is why I don't try to joke around with people. I either make jokes that no one gets or get called a humourless twat.


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Stupid meme way of spelling "misogyny".


 
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Oh yeah now I remember gamergate

Didn't care then, couldn't give less of a shit now.


 
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Stupid meme way of spelling "misogyny".

Oh.

Yeah, that's why I can't take Chaos seriously, Assassin.


 
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Stupid meme way of spelling "misogyny".
I feel so dumb that my brain couldn't put that together lol


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
ITT: People stilly buying into the "It's about muh soggy knees" narritive
What?
Stupid meme way of spelling "misogyny".

Oh.

Yeah, that's why I can't take Chaos seriously, Assassin.
Meh, whatever works for you.


 
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oh so i've got a good reason to dislike this guy

thanks

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How exactly does misogyny in videogames translate into misogyny in real life? I hear faggots positing these claims all the time but they never establish a causal link. It's the same as the religious right claiming videogames make you violent. There's not a shred of empirical evidence for it.

Out of all the issues in the world to be handwringing about, this is at the rock bottom of my list. You think an elected state official would have other shit to be concerned about, especially the one with the most power in the country.