Quote from: Nexus on November 10, 2014, 11:25:25 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on November 10, 2014, 11:23:55 PM

Quote from: Nexus on November 10, 2014, 11:00:43 PM

I actually like the way it looks.

YouTube

Haters gonna hate though.

Okay.

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on November 10, 2014, 11:23:07 PM

"It's only an aesthetic difference, they're not adding the ability to scope in for all weapons"
"It's just the same as it was before"


FUCKING NOPE. 343 Industries has left me utterly dumbfounded in their inability to recognize what many wanted. Why do they insist on departing from what made Halo good, and differentiated Halo from other shooters? What happened to dual-wielding, something that worked quite well and other shooters have dropped for some reason? If they had brought that back I might have had some faith in them.

I get it, they want you to feel like a super-soldier. The issue is, Halo was fantastic before, and these changes negatively impact the core gameplay of Halo.

What happened to Halo?

It died man. Shitty developers murdered it.

Looks that way.

I know that hating on Bungie is the "in" thing at the moment, but fuck, man, I want them back so much. They knew what they were doing.

What I liked about Halo is being stripped away piece by piece. The sense of mystery, the music, the great gameplay, and so on.

What I'm really sick of is these 343 apologists that have hopped onto the Bungie hate wagon and act like 343 is the greatest dev ever, and relentlessly praise them for Halo 2 anniversary. I do not hesitate to inform them that 343 did jack shit. That game is too good to have been made by them.

The Halo that we all loved, the Halo that became a worldwide phenomenon, that became a household name? 343 didn't make that. Bungie did.

"It's only an aesthetic difference, they're not adding the ability to scope in for all weapons"
"It's just the same as it was before"

It's just zoom, which has been in every FPS Halo to date.

What happened to dual-wielding, something that worked quite well

lol
Duel  weild was a broken and unbalanced mechanic.

and these changes negatively impact the core gameplay of Halo.

You're so lucky to have played the H5 Beta.

Quote from: Decimator Omega on November 10, 2014, 11:24:36 PM

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on November 10, 2014, 11:23:07 PM

"It's only an aesthetic difference, they're not adding the ability to scope in for all weapons"
"It's just the same as it was before"


FUCKING NOPE. 343 Industries has left me utterly dumbfounded in their inability to recognize what many wanted. Why do they insist on departing from what made Halo good, and differentiated Halo from other shooters? What happened to dual-wielding, something that worked quite well and other shooters have dropped for some reason? If they had brought that back I might have had some faith in them.

I get it, they want you to feel like a super-soldier. The issue is, Halo was fantastic before, and these changes negatively impact the core gameplay of Halo.

What happened to Halo?

It died man. Shitty developers murdered it.

Looks that way.

I know that hating on Bungie is the "in" thing at the moment, but fuck, man, I want them back so much. They knew what they were doing.

What I liked about Halo is being stripped away piece by piece. The sense of mystery, the music, the great gameplay, and so on.

What I'm really sick of is these 343 apologists that have hopped onto the Bungie hate wagon and act like 343 is the greatest dev ever, and relentlessly praise them for Halo 2 anniversary. I do not hesitate to inform them that 343 did jack shit. That game is too good to have been made by them.

The Halo that we all loved, the Halo that became a worldwide phenomenon, that became a household name? 343 didn't make that. Bungie did.

Sadly yeah, although would I want Bungie to make the future games now? Not necessarily. If anything, I'd want the core people that were in Bungie to create the next games.

People like Joseph Staten, Marty O Donnell, Jason Jones, Max Hoberman, Hao chen, Tyson Green, Curtis Creamer, and anyone else who I'm forgetting that was part of the original development process with the older games.

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on November 10, 2014, 11:23:07 PM

"It's only an aesthetic difference, they're not adding the ability to scope in for all weapons"
"It's just the same as it was before"

It's just zoom, which has been in every FPS Halo to date.

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What happened to dual-wielding, something that worked quite well

lol
Duel  weild was a broken and unbalanced mechanic.

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and these changes negatively impact the core gameplay of Halo.

You're so lucky to have played the H5 Beta.

Zoom for all weapons, including AR's.

Dual-Wielding wasn't unbalanced, at least not based on my experience.

I'm not necessarily talking about Halo 5, more so changes introduced in Halo 4 as well.

Just watched some gameplay. Like, what the fuck is everybody crying about?

Spartan Abilities include
-Ground Pound
-Clamber
-Slide
-Charge
-Sprint
-Smart scope

Going by 4 and Reach, a player can only pick one of these. That's a balanced option that allows players to pick a certain play style. Those that like to play CQC and run in will take the the Pound; those that like the strafe and trick-jump will love thuster pack. 343 recognizes the different play styles and are giving players the ability to better themselves and bring a core element to team play and work

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on November 10, 2014, 11:30:42 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on November 10, 2014, 11:24:36 PM

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on November 10, 2014, 11:23:07 PM

"It's only an aesthetic difference, they're not adding the ability to scope in for all weapons"
"It's just the same as it was before"


FUCKING NOPE. 343 Industries has left me utterly dumbfounded in their inability to recognize what many wanted. Why do they insist on departing from what made Halo good, and differentiated Halo from other shooters? What happened to dual-wielding, something that worked quite well and other shooters have dropped for some reason? If they had brought that back I might have had some faith in them.

I get it, they want you to feel like a super-soldier. The issue is, Halo was fantastic before, and these changes negatively impact the core gameplay of Halo.

What happened to Halo?

It died man. Shitty developers murdered it.

Looks that way.

I know that hating on Bungie is the "in" thing at the moment, but fuck, man, I want them back so much. They knew what they were doing.

What I liked about Halo is being stripped away piece by piece. The sense of mystery, the music, the great gameplay, and so on.

What I'm really sick of is these 343 apologists that have hopped onto the Bungie hate wagon and act like 343 is the greatest dev ever, and relentlessly praise them for Halo 2 anniversary. I do not hesitate to inform them that 343 did jack shit. That game is too good to have been made by them.

The Halo that we all loved, the Halo that became a worldwide phenomenon, that became a household name? 343 didn't make that. Bungie did.

Sadly yeah, although would I want Bungie to make the future games now? Not necessarily. If anything, I'd want the core people that were in Bungie to create the next games.

People like Joseph Staten, Marty O Donnell, Jason Jones, Max Hoberman, Hao chen, Tyson Green, Curtis Creamer, and anyone else who I'm forgetting that was part of the original development process with the older games.

You know, that makes me just as sad. Bungie isn't even the same anymore. I was watching the Halo 1 & 2 developer commentaries last night, and hearing Marty, Joe, and Jason exchange quite humorous banter made me sad, as it reminded me as to what we've lost.

Zoom for all weapons, including AR's.

Now give 1 solid reason why this is in any way a bad thing.

Dual-Wielding wasn't unbalanced, at least not based on my experience.

Yes it was.
A lot of dual weildable weapons were useless pieces of shit when used on their own.

Just watched some gameplay. Like, what the fuck is everybody crying about?

I'm guessing most of them jumped on the hate bandwagon early on and wouldn't have got off regardless of what they saw.

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on November 10, 2014, 11:35:09 PM

Zoom for all weapons, including AR's.

Now give 1 solid reason why this is in any way a bad thing.

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Dual-Wielding wasn't unbalanced, at least not based on my experience.

Yes it was.
A lot of dual weildable weapons were useless pieces of shit when used on their own.

>SMG has faster killtime than AR at close range
>Plasma Rifle tears shields down quickly even on its own
>PP has EMP and can deplete shields when OC'd
>Bungie could never figure out wtf to do with the Magnum after Halo 1, so you got me there m80.

And again, there can be many weapons in the game that traits can be altered in Customs/Forge. There can be a DW set and a non-DW set.

Just watched some gameplay. Like, what the fuck is everybody crying about?

Because if it's not a Bungie Halo that's not Halo 3.5, then it's automatically bad.

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on November 10, 2014, 11:30:42 PM

What I liked about Halo is being stripped away piece by piece. The sense of mystery, the music, the great gameplay, and so on.

the loss of mystery is really what turned me off of the series.

>Implying there's no mystery in Halo 4
Halo 4 is just as mysterious as CE by introducing a new unknown enemy.

Quote from: Maverick on November 10, 2014, 11:40:46 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 10, 2014, 11:36:42 PM

Just watched some gameplay. Like, what the fuck is everybody crying about?

I'm guessing most of them jumped on the hate bandwagon early on and wouldn't have got off regardless of what they saw.

Or maybe... We're all just incredibly concerned that the devs are making such a departure from what made Halo good? The answer isn't always "DURHUR FANBOYS".

Indeed. Too bad the fanboys however are preventing the next video game crash.

Which we REALLY need right now to wake the entire video game industry up.

Halo 4 is just as mysterious as CE

lemin no.
lemin stahp.

Let me reiterate that ADS/zoom in is a simple Spartan Ability, meaning not everybody will have it and those that will use it are your snipers and people who heavy rely on distant kills. It's a small boost that helps them, and nothing more major than that

Ground Pound and the other abilities play along to specific play styles. 343 has a very well-known competitive Halo player (Bravo) as an employee and I'm sure he has put in input on how to give the game a fresh feel while still having a balanced core