Ha

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Fallout 3 story: cliche

Fallout New Vegas: Much Better

Fallout 4: Meh story

quit being a fanboy, while I do like Bethesda, you can't deny that there stories in Fallout are stupid, and those god awful endings, the lack of choices in Fallout 4, and 0 skills. Also the horrific AI's, buggy mess, and many more, if your ok with this bullshit then by all means take off that Fallout profile pic. Also Obsidian is now filled with the people who worked on the original Fallouts, so why not let then make Fallout.

Agree. Let Obsidian handle Fallout while Bethesda can handle TES.

Bethesda/Obsidian joint effort
Gameplay was solid, story was lacking. Together they could make for something pretty interesting

That's........ actually not a bad idea, and it would help Bethesda's lack of storytelling as well.

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Quote from: Bacon on November 25, 2015, 05:57:20 PM

Ha

Haha

No

Fallout 3 story: cliche

Fallout New Vegas: Much Better

Fallout 4: Meh story

quit being a fanboy, while I do like Bethesda, you can't deny that there stories in Fallout are stupid, and those god awful endings, the lack of choices in Fallout 4, and 0 skills. Also the horrific AI's, buggy mess, and many more, if your ok with this bullshit then by all means take off that Fallout profile pic. Also Obsidian is now filled with the people who worked on the original Fallouts, so why not let then make Fallout.

Because a bad story invalidates an entire game, obviously.

Also, nice assumption presuming I thought Fallout 3 or 4's stories were good :^)

Notice in my comment that i did not just talked about the stories in Bethesda's Fallout.

>Lack of choices
>Lack of Being Evil/ Always being Good
>Lack luster ending (New Vegas, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Hell even Fallout Tactics had better endings then Fallout 3/4)
>Horrendous AI
>Shit UI (PC)
>Bethesda Bugs
>Lack of story
>NPCs sometimes repeating the same line (For example, If you say Yes the NPC will say "Wow, didn't see you here" if you say No the same  NPC will say "Wow, didn't see you here" doesn't change there dialogue, doesn't change your character, doesn't change you to be evil.)
>Lack of tutorial in the Village Creation
>R.I.P Dumb Character choice (Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas)
>Question, Yes, No, Sarcastic (really?)
>Lack of Skills
>Casual Perk System
>Lack of Character Model
>Casual game

Your telling me that your ok with this bullshit. Also Fallout 3s story was stupid, compare it with Fallout 2. Fallout 3s story is shit, and Fallout 4s story is meh.

Yep, your pic spells "fanboy"

Quote from: Gamma Ray on November 25, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

There doing fine with the Elder Scrolls story (Unlike Fallout)

I wouldn't use the word "fine" to describe how bad they are handling the story in those game.  One single quest line in the Wither 3 has more content to it than at least half of stock(No DLC.) Oblivion or Skyrim.

The Witcher 3 best game all year every year

Bethesda just needs to stop... Casualising their games so much

4 Dialogue options isn't bad, 4 dialogue options that are always the same is

Don't forget having every guild in the game being basically the same thing due to story setup. For being an RPGs' there's not much role playing going on when you can't make any decisions that have an impact like in TW3.

Quote from: Bacon on November 25, 2015, 06:15:23 PM

Quote from: Gamma Ray on November 25, 2015, 06:00:32 PM

Quote from: Bacon on November 25, 2015, 05:57:20 PM

Ha

Haha

No

Fallout 3 story: cliche

Fallout New Vegas: Much Better

Fallout 4: Meh story

quit being a fanboy, while I do like Bethesda, you can't deny that there stories in Fallout are stupid, and those god awful endings, the lack of choices in Fallout 4, and 0 skills. Also the horrific AI's, buggy mess, and many more, if your ok with this bullshit then by all means take off that Fallout profile pic. Also Obsidian is now filled with the people who worked on the original Fallouts, so why not let then make Fallout.

Because a bad story invalidates an entire game, obviously.

Also, nice assumption presuming I thought Fallout 3 or 4's stories were good :^)

Notice in my comment that i did not just talked about the stories in Bethesda's Fallout.

>Lack of choices
>Lack of Being Evil/ Always being Good
>Lack luster ending (New Vegas, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Hell even Fallout Tactics had better endings then Fallout 3/4)
>Horrendous AI
>Shit UI (PC)
>Bethesda Bugs
>Lack of story
>NPCs sometimes repeating the same line (For example, If you say Yes the NPC will say "Wow, didn't see you here" if you say No the same  NPC will say "Wow, didn't see you here" doesn't change there dialogue, doesn't change your character, doesn't change you to be evil.)
>Lack of tutorial in the Village Creation
>R.I.P Dumb Character choice (Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas)
>Question, Yes, No, Sarcastic (really?)
>Lack of Skills
>Casual Perk System
>Lack of Character Model
>Casual game

Your telling me that your ok with this bullshit. Also Fallout 3s story was stupid, compare it with Fallout 2. Fallout 3s story is shit, and Fallout 4s story is meh.

Yep, your pic spells "fanboy"

I wouldn't disagree with any of those. I still consider NV to be a superior game in everything but gunplay and map design. I have no idea where you get this ridiculous notion I have blind praise for the stories of either of the Bethesda games. I mean, Fallout 4 wasn't terrible. It wasn't great, but it wasn't awful. It was just predictable and lacking in choices. And the intention to let players play past the end was sort of responsible for the lackluster ending. Same for Skyrim. Even so, has Bethesda ever been renowned for quality stories? Worldbuilding, sure, but not story.

I have no qualms with the perk system. It's not worse than the other games' system but it's not better.

I have such high praise for Fallout 4 because I consider it to be one of the best games I've played in years. Maybe since Reach came out (Excluding other Fallout games). I rank it a good 9/10 alongside New Vegas, but for different reasons. It's a fun game. Far from perfect, but when compared to other disappointments like Halo 5 or Destiny, it's a goddamn masterpiece.

Plus, I rarely say anything about the original games. I have them, but I can rarely play them for more than 15 minutes without just turning it off because I just can't enjoy the old games. Sue me if you want, or bring out the no true scotsman, but I find 2d isometric turn based gameplay to be just awful. I'm sorry you're so buttmad I'm enjoying a game you didn't, but I got into the series with 3 and all three 'current', as it were, Fallout games are some of my favourites in... well, ever.

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Quote from: Gamma Ray on November 25, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

There doing fine with the Elder Scrolls story (Unlike Fallout)

I wouldn't use the word "fine" to describe how bad they are handling the story in those game.  One single quest line in the Wither 3 has more content to it than at least half of stock(No DLC.) Oblivion or Skyrim.

The Witcher 3 best game all year every year

I think it's safe to say that game set a new standard for RPG's and action adventures that are the same setup. What I love is how they handled that cross dressing Elf. Instead of forcing him right away like that transgender character in Dragonage. You instead find out he dresses that way in a quest and his reasoning why was done good. He does it because he feels he can be anybody he wants to be when he wears those clothes.

It's nice seeing a character like that not being forced on you, good on you Projekt RED

Also

The Witcher was good, The Witcher 2 still sets a benchmark for modern games and The Witcher 3 looks to be packed with an obscene amount of content. I'm getting pretty sick of these mopey threads talking about how bad The Witcher was, how "boring" The Witcher 2 is (hint: if you're bored in The Witcher 2, you're a boring person and there's no fixing that) and how supposedly bad The Witcher 3 is going to be.

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Quote from: BerzerkCommando on November 25, 2015, 06:39:21 PM

Quote from: Gamma Ray on November 25, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

There doing fine with the Elder Scrolls story (Unlike Fallout)

I wouldn't use the word "fine" to describe how bad they are handling the story in those game.  One single quest line in the Wither 3 has more content to it than at least half of stock(No DLC.) Oblivion or Skyrim.

The Witcher 3 best game all year every year

I think it's safe to say that game set a new standard for RPG's and action adventures that are the same setup. What I love is how they handled that cross dressing Elf. Instead of forcing him right away like that transgender character in Dragonage. You instead find out he dresses that way in a quest and his reasoning why was done good. He does it because he feels he can be anybody he wants to be when he wears those clothes.

I want to play Witcher but it just seems like another fantasy RPG (I only got into elder scrolls because it was by the same guys as Fallout 3) Same for dragon age. And also the fact I feel obliged to play the first two games in each series to understand what's going on. It wouldn't feel right, jumping in on the third installment.

Also the fact that you don't customise the character puts me off a bit. Small thing, but i like custom characters.

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Quote from: Bacon on November 25, 2015, 05:57:20 PM

Ha

Haha

No

Fallout 3 story: cliche

Fallout New Vegas: Much Better

Fallout 4: Meh story

quit being a fanboy, while I do like Bethesda, you can't deny that there stories in Fallout are stupid, and those god awful endings, the lack of choices in Fallout 4, and 0 skills. Also the horrific AI's, buggy mess, and many more, if your ok with this bullshit then by all means take off that Fallout profile pic. Also Obsidian is now filled with the people who worked on the original Fallouts, so why not let then make Fallout.

Because a bad story invalidates an entire game, obviously.

Also, nice assumption presuming I thought Fallout 3 or 4's stories were good :^)

Notice in my comment that i did not just talked about the stories in Bethesda's Fallout.

>Lack of choices
>Lack of Being Evil/ Always being Good
>Lack luster ending (New Vegas, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Hell even Fallout Tactics had better endings then Fallout 3/4)
>Horrendous AI
>Shit UI (PC)
>Bethesda Bugs
>Lack of story
>NPCs sometimes repeating the same line (For example, If you say Yes the NPC will say "Wow, didn't see you here" if you say No the same  NPC will say "Wow, didn't see you here" doesn't change there dialogue, doesn't change your character, doesn't change you to be evil.)
>Lack of tutorial in the Village Creation
>R.I.P Dumb Character choice (Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas)
>Question, Yes, No, Sarcastic (really?)
>Lack of Skills
>Casual Perk System
>Lack of Character Model
>Casual game

Your telling me that your ok with this bullshit. Also Fallout 3s story was stupid, compare it with Fallout 2. Fallout 3s story is shit, and Fallout 4s story is meh.

Yep, your pic spells "fanboy"

I wouldn't disagree with any of those. I still consider NV to be a superior game in everything but gunplay and map design. I have no idea where you get this ridiculous notion I have blind praise for the stories of either of the Bethesda games. I mean, Fallout 4 wasn't terrible. It wasn't great, but it wasn't awful. It was just predictable and lacking in choices. And the intention to let players play past the end was sort of responsible for the lackluster ending. Same for Skyrim. Even so, has Bethesda ever been renowned for quality stories? Worldbuilding, sure, but not story.

I have no qualms with the perk system. It's not worse than the other games' system but it's not better.

I have such high praise for Fallout 4 because I consider it to be one of the best games I've played in years. Maybe since Reach came out (Excluding other Fallout games). I rank it a good 9/10 alongside New Vegas, but for different reasons. It's a fun game. Far from perfect, but when compared to other disappointments like Halo 5 or Destiny, it's a goddamn masterpiece.

Plus, I rarely say anything about the original games. I have them, but I can rarely play them for more than 15 minutes without just turning it off because I just can't enjoy the old games. Sue me if you want, or bring out the no true scotsman, but I find 2d isometric turn based gameplay to be just awful. I'm sorry you're so buttmad I'm enjoying a game you didn't, but I got into the series with 3 and all three 'current', as it were, Fallout games are some of my favourites in... well, ever.

I won't lie, Fallout 4 kinda disappointed me (in terms of story, endings etc.) however I won't lie and say that Bethesda makes great map and great gameplay, however this trend of Bethesda logic (bugs, shit story etc.) has gone too far and I won't be praising their games until they get their shit together, this is probably my last straw with BGS. (For me anyways)
 

I have no idea where you get this ridiculous notion I have blind praise for the stories of either of the Bethesda games

Also, nice assumption presuming I thought Fallout 3 or 4's stories were good :^)

- Bacon

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Quote from: Fruitcake on November 25, 2015, 06:41:52 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on November 25, 2015, 06:39:21 PM

Quote from: Gamma Ray on November 25, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

There doing fine with the Elder Scrolls story (Unlike Fallout)

I wouldn't use the word "fine" to describe how bad they are handling the story in those game.  One single quest line in the Wither 3 has more content to it than at least half of stock(No DLC.) Oblivion or Skyrim.

The Witcher 3 best game all year every year

I think it's safe to say that game set a new standard for RPG's and action adventures that are the same setup. What I love is how they handled that cross dressing Elf. Instead of forcing him right away like that transgender character in Dragonage. You instead find out he dresses that way in a quest and his reasoning why was done good. He does it because he feels he can be anybody he wants to be when he wears those clothes.

I want to play Witcher but it just seems like another fantasy RPG (I only got into elder scrolls because it was by the same guys as Fallout 3) Same for dragon age. And also the fact I feel obliged to play the first two games in each series to understand what's going on. It wouldn't feel right, jumping in on the third installment.

You don't actually need to play the first two to get the story of the third, they do a fantastic job of telling you the events of the previous games, plus the story of the third isn't directly connected to the first two. The Witcher is actually a book series that was turned into a game, it's a fantastic universe and I love it. I guess it is kind of generic fantasy, but it's just so well done oh my gosh.

Honestly, I count most western fantasy as generic fantasy because it all feels like a rip off of Tolkein. Not a bad thing, but it all feels very samey after a while.

The only fantasy stuff I'd consider to be not generic (that I know of) is Souls (as much as I dislike the series, I admire how it makes an effort to not be medieval england) and to an extent, ASOIAF. Though the latter is more because there's not really much in the way of magic in it (as opposed to LOTR) and it's a lot grittier than most fantasy.

That said, I do intend to play TW3 someday. But when someday is, I have no fucking clue.

I believe The Witcher is based off of Polish folklore, it's actually really cool

Have you got the chance to read The Witcher Books?

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Quote from: Fruitcake on November 25, 2015, 06:41:52 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on November 25, 2015, 06:39:21 PM

Quote from: Gamma Ray on November 25, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

There doing fine with the Elder Scrolls story (Unlike Fallout)

I wouldn't use the word "fine" to describe how bad they are handling the story in those game.  One single quest line in the Wither 3 has more content to it than at least half of stock(No DLC.) Oblivion or Skyrim.

The Witcher 3 best game all year every year

I think it's safe to say that game set a new standard for RPG's and action adventures that are the same setup. What I love is how they handled that cross dressing Elf. Instead of forcing him right away like that transgender character in Dragonage. You instead find out he dresses that way in a quest and his reasoning why was done good. He does it because he feels he can be anybody he wants to be when he wears those clothes.

I want to play Witcher but it just seems like another fantasy RPG (I only got into elder scrolls because it was by the same guys as Fallout 3) Same for dragon age. And also the fact I feel obliged to play the first two games in each series to understand what's going on. It wouldn't feel right, jumping in on the third installment.

You don't actually need to play the first two to get the story of the third, they do a fantastic job of telling you the events of the previous games, plus the story of the third isn't directly connected to the first two. The Witcher is actually a book series that was turned into a game, it's a fantastic universe and I love it. I guess it is kind of generic fantasy, but it's just so well done oh my gosh.

Honestly, I count most western fantasy as generic fantasy because it all feels like a rip off of Tolkein. Not a bad thing, but it all feels very samey after a while.

The only fantasy stuff I'd consider to be not generic (that I know of) is Souls (as much as I dislike the series, I admire how it makes an effort to not be medieval england) and to an extent, ASOIAF. Though the latter is more because there's not really much in the way of magic in it (as opposed to LOTR) and it's a lot grittier than most fantasy.

That said, I do intend to play TW3 someday. But when someday is, I have no fucking clue.

I believe The Witcher is based off of Polish folklore, it's actually really cool

Have you got the chance to read The Witcher Books?

Naw, I'd be down for giving them a try at some point though, they seem really interesting

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Quote from: BerzerkCommando on November 25, 2015, 06:39:21 PM

Quote from: Gamma Ray on November 25, 2015, 05:48:48 PM

There doing fine with the Elder Scrolls story (Unlike Fallout)

I wouldn't use the word "fine" to describe how bad they are handling the story in those game.  One single quest line in the Wither 3 has more content to it than at least half of stock(No DLC.) Oblivion or Skyrim.

The Witcher 3 best game all year every year

I think it's safe to say that game set a new standard for RPG's and action adventures that are the same setup. What I love is how they handled that cross dressing Elf. Instead of forcing him right away like that transgender character in Dragonage. You instead find out he dresses that way in a quest and his reasoning why was done good. He does it because he feels he can be anybody he wants to be when he wears those clothes.

I want to play Witcher but it just seems like another fantasy RPG (I only got into elder scrolls because it was by the same guys as Fallout 3) Same for dragon age. And also the fact I feel obliged to play the first two games in each series to understand what's going on. It wouldn't feel right, jumping in on the third installment.

You don't actually need to play the first two to get the story of the third, they do a fantastic job of telling you the events of the previous games, plus the story of the third isn't directly connected to the first two. The Witcher is actually a book series that was turned into a game, it's a fantastic universe and I love it. I guess it is kind of generic fantasy, but it's just so well done oh my gosh.

Honestly, I count most western fantasy as generic fantasy because it all feels like a rip off of Tolkein. Not a bad thing, but it all feels very samey after a while.

The only fantasy stuff I'd consider to be not generic (that I know of) is Souls (as much as I dislike the series, I admire how it makes an effort to not be medieval england) and to an extent, ASOIAF. Though the latter is more because there's not really much in the way of magic in it (as opposed to LOTR) and it's a lot grittier than most fantasy.

That said, I do intend to play TW3 someday. But when someday is, I have no fucking clue.

I believe The Witcher is based off of Polish folklore, it's actually really cool

Have you got the chance to read The Witcher Books?

Naw, I'd be down for giving them a try at some point though, they seem really interesting

Not all of them have an English translation yet

Yeah, was wondering about that

Oh well