Really? Or was it you going for extreme examples and even bringing up animals that live off feces?

if you started using extreme examples i wouldn't give a fuck, why does it matter

they're logically cogent arguments despite being impractical so who cares

i would argue that extreme examples have MORE utility than regular ones, because they test the limits of what you believe

The base act of eating shit isn't pleasant. You bringing up some random hypothetical doesn't change that, if anything it further proves my point that you would only possibly consider eating shit if your best friend was at gunpoint.

you mean "the base act of HUMANS eating shit without a gun to their head"

we're adding two modifiers here, so we're actually talking about a more specific base act, you just seem to think everything is implied

once you add those two modifiers, i would have to concede that i'd have to stretch my imagination beyond what i'd consider reasonable (or necessary for this discussion) in order to argue that eating shit is anything but a bad thing

there are plenty of scenarios i can come up with where eating shit might not be a bad thing, but i'll just pretend for a moment that we've covered everything, because they all involve modifying the "base act" as you put it (just like you've done when trying to prove the opposite point, because such a thing is unavoidable)

without those two modifiers, it makes perfect sense for me to bring up animals, because you didn't bar them from discussion, even though i technically knew what you were talking about—i just think specificity is important, especially when you're talking about the philosophy and the metaphysical properties of actions and shit

the reason the n sane trilogy takes so long to load is because it loads the entire level before entry. in comparison, the originals only loaded the portion of the level in which crash was located, which was a really clever way of eliminating down time. given how impressive the game looks, i'm not sure why they wouldn't have adopted this loading method. especially since loading screens are a common problem with games today.

a speed runner can beat them game (just crystals, no gems) in roughly an hour, but there are over 14 minutes of loading screens. and you have to basically double that for gem play throughs.

Yeah,  too bad you started talking about eating poop.

actually you did

Eating poop has no modifiers, it's the act of eating poop. You're modifying it by saying it's a good thing to do if you're at gunpoint. It isn't. It's still gross and unhealthy, and tastes terrible. You would only consider doing it if you're at gunpoint, which further proves how much of an objective negative it is.

if it was OBJETIVELY negative, then you would NEVER under ANY circumstances eat shit

not for a million dollars, not to save your friend, not to save the world

you wouldn't do it, because it is OBJECTIVELY bad

that's what that means

I play games to play games. Not watch loading screens.

maybe the loading screen is part of the game

I said this several times and it was heavily implied. Not to mention it's a given, that isn't something I should have had to write. I felt like I was explaining something to a child by writing that.

I know it to be true, so I assumed you did too. Either you were purposefully being obtuse, or you're just dumb.

actually, you never said or implied it, and you've repeatedly made the exact opposite statement

I wouldn't. I would never sacrifice my dignity for money. My friend shouldn't have been slippin if we have people after us like that, and the world can burn for all I care.

good for you, i happen to feel the exact same way

so you're basically saying that you're the arbiter of objectivity, then

you decide what's objective because you personally would never eat shit in any circumstance whatsoever

The loading screen is always part of the game.

you know what i mean by part of the game

fucking lol when

pick any post you made in this thread

No. Eating shit is still bad no matter the outcome. Killing somebody is bad, but the outcome is good if it's one less bad person in the world.

then that means killing them was good

If a developer is smart enough to make loading screens fun that would obviously make it ok if the loading times longer. He still had to go out of his to develop a fun loading screen to deal with the negative that is a loading screen.

okay

maybe the length of the loading screens is tied into the lore somehow

what about that

Why the fuck haven't we've seen games in loading screens yet?!

i actually think i've played a game that had a game within the loading screen, or some sort of interactivity

i was trying to think of it

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/11/coolest-video-game-loading-screens/resident-evil

loading screens done right

the dragon ball games used to have fun mini games in the loading screens.

right?

Wow, the loading times are so fucking long they had to add in a game  to play while you wait.

What if you don't like Space Invaders?

That's not the point.

The outcome was good. The base act of killing is wrong.

the base act of killing is neutral, just like everything else in the universe

i can't think of a single thing that isn't intrinsically neutral from a philosophical standpoint

Badly made game if they need to do these things to compensate for ridiculously long load times. Which again proves the point that the longer the loading time is, the worse the game is so you have to add something else in to alleviate the negativity.

maybe someone can find an appreciation for long loading times because it adds a "vintage" aesthetic to a game or some shit

maybe it's a fast-paced game and they appreciate being given a bit of extra time to reflect on stuff, or just think about what they're gonna do next or whatever

you already admitted that there are some weirdos who might be like this, so i just don't see a point in excluding them just because the majority happens to hate long loading times, myself included

i don't see a point in marginalizing unpopular opinions

i just don't

i still got crash 2 and 3 on the PS Vita so i'll have to stick with them for the time being.