The reviews for Syndicate are all over the place.

Seems to be either you hate it or you love it. Like Black Flag

This isn't a game review, so much as a social one anyway.

And this is why she's retarded

Quote from: Luciana on October 22, 2015, 11:09:09 AM

Fallout New Vegas put TWO gay people in it. One gay, one lesbian. Did they ever mention ANYTHING about it? Nope. Did those two things define said characters? Absolutely not. In fact unless you actually talked to them about their past/history, it wouldn't even come up. Why? Because it's not what defines them as a character, nor should a sexuality EVER define you for a character. It's a passing thing they VAGUELY mention as they go on about how they ended up where they are, or how they shouldn't be dying.

3! at least 3, that is. besides arcade and veronica, you meet veronica's ex christine in dead money. there might be others. but yeah NV treated sexuality really well.

there was also that lesbian ncr ranger in camp McCarran, she was the one that got raped by cook cook and shtuff

Quote from: Azumarill on October 22, 2015, 12:25:38 PM

Quote from: Luciana on October 22, 2015, 11:09:09 AM

Fallout New Vegas put TWO gay people in it. One gay, one lesbian. Did they ever mention ANYTHING about it? Nope. Did those two things define said characters? Absolutely not. In fact unless you actually talked to them about their past/history, it wouldn't even come up. Why? Because it's not what defines them as a character, nor should a sexuality EVER define you for a character. It's a passing thing they VAGUELY mention as they go on about how they ended up where they are, or how they shouldn't be dying.

3! at least 3, that is. besides arcade and veronica, you meet veronica's ex christine in dead money. there might be others. but yeah NV treated sexuality really well.

there was also that lesbian ncr ranger in camp McCarran, she was the one that got raped by cook cook and shtuff

oh yeah shit. i almost forgot about that quest. wasnt she 1st recon?

lol saw that coming a mile away

No no, you're trying to justify it by saying that, but no. There is a difference between writing an interesting story/cast of characters and not pandering.

I could easily argue that having an interesting story/cast of characters would be pandering to your interests, ya know. Not that that's a bad thing--I want an interesting set of characters, too. I want that interest pandered to me.

You can pull out the dictionary definition of "pandering" and say that it only applies to "immoral" or "distasteful" things, but clearly, that's not how I'm using the word. A better word to describe what I mean would be "cater", I guess. There's nothing wrong with being catered to, is there? As long as the thing isn't being shoved in your face.

Aka: Make the tumblr idiots feel happy they have a trans person in the game! It's the SAME THING Mass Effect 3 did with Cortez, who was gay simply for the sake of being gay. Those things DEFINE their characters ironically enough (even though labels shouldn't be a thing in a world where people are ever increasingly wanting to be labeled) rather than the actual content of their character. You knew this was going to be the case too when Ubisoft literally announced there was a trans women in it.

Fallout New Vegas put TWO gay people in it. One gay, one lesbian. Did they ever mention ANYTHING about it? Nope. Did those two things define said characters? Absolutely not. In fact unless you actually talked to them about their past/history, it wouldn't even come up. Why? Because it's not what defines them as a character, nor should a sexuality EVER define you for a character. It's a passing thing they VAGUELY mention as they go on about how they ended up where they are, or how they shouldn't be dying.

I agree with all of this--in fact, it was my point from the beginning. And I think Anita would agree with that, too, if she were to read this post. I honestly would.

It's sick, terrible, annoying, and anyone who supports that kind of inclusion is missing the entire point of progressing into the world today as we know it.

That's the thing--I don't think anyone actually supports that type of inclusion. I think that's the result of developers not necessarily knowing how not to write "a gay character" instead of "a character who happens to be gay".

No one actually wants characters to be gay for the sake of being gay--I have to wonder where you got this notion from.

Other than Tumblr folk, who are, frankly, irrelevant.

I promise that will be the last time you see a reply like that in this thread

No, have at it, if you want to. If you have to go on a rant to make a point, go ahead. I actually kinda like it, because it means that this discussion can actually go somewhere, I think. You're clearly impassioned about the subject, and you have a lot to say about it, so say all you need to.

Quote from: Thunder on October 22, 2015, 02:01:56 PM

lol saw that coming a mile away

what

>Assassin's Creed Syndicate Review
>only spouts feminist/SJW bullshit

Quote from: RocketChan on October 22, 2015, 12:27:19 PM

Quote from: Luciana on October 22, 2015, 10:50:43 AM

This isn't a game review, so much as a social one anyway.

And this is why she's retarded

YEAH

FUCK SOCIAL CRITIQUES

THEY'RE AWFUL

When it's supposed to be a game review, yeah it is.

Quote from: RocketChan on October 22, 2015, 03:08:25 PM

When it's supposed to be a game review, yeah it is.

Not all game reviews have to focus on the game as a whole. It's possible to look at games critically from a number of different angles--feminism being one of them.

If they aren't looking at the game as a whole, then how can you properly review it? If you look at just part of a game and rate it 10/10, when the other half is shit......it's a bad review.

Of course you can discuss social aspects, but this person clearly has a reputation for talking about social aspects more than anything. Instead of reviewing games, literally just talk about the social aspects of gaming.

That way people don't expect to read a review, and instead read something completely different.

If they aren't looking at the game as a whole, then how can you properly review it? If you look at just part of a game and rate it 10/10, when the other half is shit......it's a bad review.

Uh, no. You're reviewing a particular aspect of it. The purpose of a review is to inform others of the game's quality--and there are number of ways of looking at a game's quality.

The most common is, "is it a fun game to play?"

Another is, "Does the game contain tasteful portrayals of women?"

A 3/10 game may suck, but if it might be a 10/10 when it comes to treating female characters tastefully.

It's just a different way of looking at a game.

You're reviewing a particular aspect of it.

If you are talking about only part of a game and leaving out parts of it, then you aren't doing a good review imo

If she wants to discuss how female characters are portrayed in games, then it shouldn't be titled "Fallout 4 Review" when it literally doesn't review the game's overall experience.

Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 03:17:34 PM

You're reviewing a particular aspect of it.

If you are talking about only part of a game and leaving out parts of it, then you aren't doing a good review imo

Yeah, if they intended to review the entire game, then it'd be a bad review. She isn't reviewing the entire game, thus her review succeeds at its purpose.


I'm actually defending Anita Sarkeesian here

Exactly what Lemon said. It's not like she's trying to say there are no other aspects worth talking about--she just wanted to highlights the aspects that were relevant to the style of content she produces.

Quote from: RocketChan on October 22, 2015, 03:19:06 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 22, 2015, 03:17:34 PM

You're reviewing a particular aspect of it.

If you are talking about only part of a game and leaving out parts of it, then you aren't doing a good review imo

Yeah, if they intended to review the entire game, then it'd be a bad review. She isn't reviewing the entire game, thus her review succeeds at its purpose.


I'm actually defending Anita Sarkeesian here

"Assassin's Creed Syndicate Review"

That's the title. I read that and expect to know more about the game than simply it's treatment of female characters. If she wants to discuss only female character portrayal, change the title.

I won't give this lady my view.

Which is why I included the transcript, so you don't have to give her any views (which is EXTREMELY petty, by the way).