Anita Sarkeesian - "Women as Reward - Special DLC Mini-Episode"

 
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I also just think it would be an interesting and refreshing spin to see a strong, female character who happens to be unattractive. Not only would that be unique and consistent with reality—it would also make a good statement. Characters don't have to be attractive to be interesting or likable.

But you never see that. Ever. Why? Because men like ogling pretty women.


 
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By that point in the game the player should be thinking 'oh, okay, you have breasts' instead of 'oh boy, boobs!'
Yeah, right. Who do you think's playing these games? A bunch of asexual robots?


 
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By that point in the game the player should be thinking 'oh, okay, you have breasts' instead of 'oh boy, boobs!'

It doesn't serve any thematic purpose whatsoever, though. Her doing that is kinda like two steps forward, one step back.

The whole snake scar thing is also pretty cheesy, too. So really, there's no benefit to that entire little section.

It's just there for fanservice.

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It's actually a clever little point with Eva and the R2 cam. When she first appears, pressing R2 shows a close-up of her tits. By the end of the game, Snake is looking her in the eye. She becomes more than just a set of tits to gawk at.


Yeah, that makes sense. Eva uses her sexuality to get what she wants. That's fine, IMO, and adds to her character.

The Boss didn't need to do that, though. There's no - good - reason for her to do that.

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And The Boss was never just a set of tits to gawk at, so the player doesn't (or shouldn't) really notice when she shows her scar to Snake.

Exactly my point. She doesn't need to show her tits, she's a perfect character without that.

So it boggles my mind why Kojima felt like he needed to include that.


 
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well tbh I don't think anyone really disagrees with Korra's statement
Mordo does.


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By that point in the game the player should be thinking 'oh, okay, you have breasts' instead of 'oh boy, boobs!'
Yeah, right. Who do you think's playing these games? A bunch of asexual robots?

The narrative at hand rather outweighs her cleavage. Her boobs are an afterthought by that point in the story (or should be).


 
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I also just think it would be an interesting and refreshing spin to see a strong, female character who happens to be unattractive. Not only would that be unique and consistent with reality—it would also make a good statement. Characters don't have to be attractive to be interesting or likable.

But you never see that. Ever. Why? Because men like ogling pretty women.

Well to be fair, how many likeable unattractive male protagonists are there?

I just think people like looking at nice things, male or female. Not that that's okay, but...


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well tbh I don't think anyone really disagrees with Korra's statement
Mordo does.

yeah but no one cares about mordo


 
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Well to be fair, how many likeable unattractive male protagonists are there?
Well, that's my point. There should be more of them—male AND female.

The reason I didn't bring up males at first is because, as a heterosexual male, I don't really have the most objective concept of what an "attractive male" is. Because I don't really find any males attractive in the same way that I do with girls.


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Well to be fair, how many likeable unattractive male protagonists are there?
Well, that's my point. There should be more of them—male AND female.

The reason I didn't bring up males at first is because, as a heterosexual male, I don't really have the most objective concept of what an "attractive male" is. Because I don't really find any males attractive in the same way that I do with girls.
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Well to be fair, how many likeable unattractive male protagonists are there?
Well, that's my point. There should be more of them—male AND female.

The reason I didn't bring up males at first is because, as a heterosexual male, I don't really have the most objective concept of what an "attractive male" is. Because I don't really find any males attractive in the same way that I do with girls.
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Well to be fair, how many likeable unattractive male protagonists are there?
Well, that's my point. There should be more of them—male AND female.

The reason I didn't bring up males at first is because, as a heterosexual male, I don't really have the most objective concept of what an "attractive male" is. Because I don't really find any males attractive in the same way that I do with girls.
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Well no one wants to look at ugly people


 
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Well no one wants to look at ugly people
Exactly. Because people are superficial cunts.


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You realize Verb how hard it is to make a video game character attractive over anything ugly.

Not to mention....how would we define an ugly female? Pretty sure the feminists would use this as a way to show the dev 'undermining women' or some bullshit.


 
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Pretty sure the feminists would use this as a way to show the dev 'undermining women' or some bullshit.
Oh well. I'm not "the feminists"—I'm just a feminist. I have my own set of ideas that I'd like to communicate.


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Pretty sure the feminists would use this as a way to show the dev 'undermining women' or some bullshit.
Oh well. I'm not "the feminists"—I'm just a feminist. I have my own set of ideas that I'd like to communicate.
So you're  not a part of the hivemind..interesting


 
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the lead female in horizon zero dawn is pretty fugly

but that just may be my opinion


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the lead female in horizon zero dawn is pretty fugly

but that just may be my opinion
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Huh. Well seeing that she is most likely a barbarian amazon-type of warrior she shouldn't be the epitome of beauty. Looks normal.


 
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the lead female in horizon zero dawn is pretty fugly

but that just may be my opinion
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Huh. Well seeing that she is most likely a barbarian amazon-type of warrior she shouldn't be the epitome of beauty. Looks normal.

the game looks great, I'm really looking forward to it.


 
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the lead female in horizon zero dawn is pretty fugly

but that just may be my opinion
That is an excellent example. I forgot all about her. for some reason.

She's not unattractive, but she's not oversexualized, either. Perfect example of a good female character. Well, I hope. We'll see if she has a good backstory and personality and all that shit when the game comes out, but 10/10 on the aesthetic.

But yeah, that's what I'm talking about. More of THOSE, please.


 
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I also just think it would be an interesting and refreshing spin to see a strong, female character who happens to be unattractive. Not only would that be unique and consistent with reality—it would also make a good statement. Characters don't have to be attractive to be interesting or likable.

But you never see that. Ever. Why? Because men like ogling pretty women.

I was reminded of something the other day Verb, while playing Fable II. Actually that was a few months ago. Anyway. A character that you can certainly use as an interesting example. She wasn't the main protagonist in the story, but she was a main character.

Hammer.

Hammer, in the story, is the Hero of Strength. As a result, she's somewhat of a giant, towering over almost everybody else in the game. Not only is she shaped like a muscle bound woman, but she's weighty, partially. And throughout the game, others often make fun of Hammer for her apparent size, noting her as being troll-like and other such insults.

And, at first, Hammer comes off as seemingly dull witted, nothing more than a simple pacifist monk. But throughout the course of the game, she eventually shows an insightful, thoughtful nature. And at one point, a rival among the group who she often butts heads with, an intellectual, Garth, admits that she's not as dumb as she looks.

And she's always stood out to me as an interesting character. She's everything you wouldn't be expecting, really.