Well, yeah. Because games (shockingly) Akers a lot of time and moneyto make so they can't do too much in the story.so they do a lot more in books which are cheaper and easier.

Besides, mystery for the sake of mystery is bad writing. Mysteries are there to e solved, not so you can dance around the subject forever until everyone gets bored f the same plot lines over and over again.

Anyway. The reason 343i puts out as much cobtent as they do is because the fans want that much content. Having five novels, 12 comics and two games in a year is a lore fan's wet dream.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Halo lost a lot of its appeal after Bear's Forerunner saga. The terminals in Halo 3 gave just enough details to intrigue us, but left out just enough to keep us wanting more.

Halo 3's terminals are the GOAT.

I preferred it when everything was a mystery

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

Fuck the background story of the Forerunners and humans.

I wanted us to be their descendants, not their ancient enemy.

This, this, and more this.

I'll admit that the Forerunner Trilogy is a well written and well thought-out piece of work. It's just not a story I ever wanted to read.

It doesn't help that practically everything about Halo's lore strongly suggested that we were the descendants of Forerunners. Hell, Spark literally tells us that we are. Yeah, you can retcon the line and spin it differently so that when he says Chief is a "Child of his makers," you can argue he means "Their heir," but that's definitely not what it was originally meant to convey.

Quote from: Winy on September 29, 2015, 08:20:48 PM

Quote from: Nameless Grunt on September 29, 2015, 07:04:56 PM

I'll admit that the Forerunner Trilogy is a well written and well thought-out piece of work. It's just not a story I ever wanted to read.

It doesn't help that practically everything about Halo's lore strongly suggested that we were the descendants of Forerunners. Hell, Spark literally tells us that we are. Yeah, you can retcon the line and spin it differently so that when he says Chief is a "Child of his makers," you can argue he means "Their heir," but that's definitely not what it was originally meant to convey.

Gravemind (in H3) calls chief "Child of my enemy."

A father's sins pass to his son.

Quote from: Winy on September 29, 2015, 08:20:48 PM

Quote from: Nameless Grunt on September 29, 2015, 07:04:56 PM

I'll admit that the Forerunner Trilogy is a well written and well thought-out piece of work. It's just not a story I ever wanted to read.

It doesn't help that practically everything about Halo's lore strongly suggested that we were the descendants of Forerunners. Hell, Spark literally tells us that we are. Yeah, you can retcon the line and spin it differently so that when he says Chief is a "Child of his makers," you can argue he means "Their heir," but that's definitely not what it was originally meant to convey.

Gravemind (in H3) calls chief "Child of my enemy."

THAT TOO

Quote from: Naru on September 29, 2015, 08:49:44 PM

i just wanna see a precursor in the game

Halo 2.

non flood infected ones

Quote from: Naru on September 29, 2015, 08:59:04 PM

Quote from: Baron Von Scheißenhausen on September 29, 2015, 08:58:34 PM

Quote from: Naru on September 29, 2015, 08:49:44 PM

i just wanna see a precursor in the game

Halo 2.

non flood infected ones

Infected?

i want a pure looking one dammit, before they became floof

I prefer pure tentacle rape.

I came to the realization that I kinda dislike over-saturated lore in general. It makes some franchises so difficult to follow, and it creates these creepy know-it-all superfans that get livid if you get the tiniest detail wrong when talking about a movie or game. This is what happened with Star Wars, and it's happening with Halo, too.

A lot of the wonder of fictional worlds, to me, is not knowing everything, because I don't need to know everything. It's like when people got so fucking pissed over the existence of midichlorians--they didn't need to know precisely how the Force worked--they wanted to keep that childish wonder for themselves, because that's what made Star Wars fun.

Once you know everything, it's like... "Okay, now what?"

There's obviously gotta be a balance, and I think franchises like Zelda do it perfectly. It's a lore-rich franchise, but just enough is kept up in the air to keep that wonder and mystery going. I really, really value that.

A lot of the wonder of fictional worlds, to me, is not knowing everything, because I don't need to know everything. It's like when people got so fucking pissed over the existence of midichlorians--they didn't need to know precisely how the Force worked--they wanted to keep that childish wonder for themselves, because that's what made Star Wars fun.

As a resident Star Wars nerd, I feel that upset was also due to the implication that your force ability was limited based on your midichlorian count. Pretty much saying that it wasn't like anyone could learn how to use the force if they were trained and had faith, you also had to have X midichlorians. Although, for sure it did suck tearing away the layer of mysticism the force had.

I didn't personally care about the midichlorians myself (considering I saw the Phantom Menace first), but from an objective standpoint, I can definitely see why that would have irked some people.

Really our problem with the prequels is that they retroactively changed the details of the original films; they changed the characters and the fiction we knew and loved. The films that released first chronologically should dictate the content of the successive films, not the other way around.

Quote from: BaconShelf on September 29, 2015, 03:50:49 PM

Besides, mystery for the sake of mystery is bad writing.

I don't agree at all. I mean, sure, if you're using it as an excuse to leave some elephant in the room going completely unexplained, then that's bad writing. What I was thinking of, primarily, is this Starwarsian idea of giving every single character on-screen a name and a detailed backstory.

The same kind of thing is happening with Mad Max, which pisses me off. The Doof Warrior (flamethrower guitar dude) apparently has his own backstory. Why? Because we want to know more about him, sure, but why do we have to know more about him?... For me, it kills the novelty.

I was more referring to the large scale stuff. In halo, you spend most of your time poking through forerunner structures for whatever reason. You're going to have to address forerunners at some point instead of just dodging the issue or blowing up whatever artefact was about to tell us everything we wanted. That's what most people mean when they say there's no mystery in Halo. With something that is such an integral part of the franchise, you're going to have to acknowledge them at some point.

But I get your point on the flamethrower guy.