I'll take Fallout 3's clunky gunplay yet better atmosphere, aesthetic and questing over Fallout 4's adequate gunplay, lack of atmosphere and shit aesthetic any day.

Fallout 3 had better side quests. That's it.

It was a bad game, just in every way. The main plot was laughable.

And aesthetic? What? It wasn't even a Fallout aesthetic, it was a generic post-apocalypse aesthetic. The only things Fallout-esque in the slightest were the billboards.

Fallout 3 had better side quests. That's it.

Better dialogue system.
It actually had more than 2 unique towns that were far more interesting than any of 4's.
RPG mechanics.
No gimmicky shit like settlements or the legendary system.
There was actually an element of choice rather than forcing you to be either the good guy or the good guy on a bad day.
The game doesn't force you into a specific character, it lets you be whoever you want.
An actual atmosphere.
More unique weapons rather than just workshop weapons with a flashy effect.
And more which I can't be bothered to type out considering I've just woken up.

It was a bad game, just in every way.

Purely subjective.

The main plot was laughable.

And Fallout 4's wasn't?

And aesthetic? What? It wasn't even a Fallout aesthetic, it was a generic post-apocalypse aesthetic. The only things Fallout-esque in the slightest were the billboards.

lol now this is just dumb.

This is a view of Necropolis from Fallout 1.


This is a view of the DC Ruins from Fallout 3.


Pretty similar in appearance and atmosphere.

I'd go on more on the aesthetic thing but I've literally just woken up and would rather be getting ready for the day than having this discussion again right now.

Fallout 1 was the second worst Fallout game, btw

It goes 2 > NV > 4 > 1 > 3

Fallout 1 was the second worst Fallout game, btw

It goes 2 > NV > 4 > 1 > 3

To you maybe.

Do I really have to teach you about the concept of personal preference?

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:20:37 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:19:34 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:16:34 AM

Better dialogue system.
It actually had more than 2 unique towns that were far more interesting than any of 4's.
RPG mechanics.
No gimmicky shit like settlements or the legendary system.
There was actually an element of choice rather than forcing you to be either the good guy or the good guy on a bad day.
The game doesn't force you into a specific character, it lets you be whoever you want.
An actual atmosphere.
More unique weapons rather than just workshop weapons with a flashy effect.

LMAO

it's like you're going out of your way to dislike a game

it's like you want to dislike it

because all of this is either nitpicky to the extreme or just untrue

The funny thing is I don't dislike Fallout 4. Call it what you want, god forbid I prefer its predecessors. Stop sperging out whenever anyone dares to criticise the game.

I'm not the one who posts in a Fallout 4 thread all the time, plays Fallout 4 all the time, and then bitches about Fallout 4

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You know it's possible to enjoy a game while still criticising its faults, right? Stop being autistic.

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Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:21:56 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:20:37 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:19:34 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:16:34 AM

Better dialogue system.
It actually had more than 2 unique towns that were far more interesting than any of 4's.
RPG mechanics.
No gimmicky shit like settlements or the legendary system.
There was actually an element of choice rather than forcing you to be either the good guy or the good guy on a bad day.
The game doesn't force you into a specific character, it lets you be whoever you want.
An actual atmosphere.
More unique weapons rather than just workshop weapons with a flashy effect.

LMAO

it's like you're going out of your way to dislike a game

it's like you want to dislike it

because all of this is either nitpicky to the extreme or just untrue

The funny thing is I don't dislike Fallout 4. Call it what you want, god forbid I prefer its predecessors. Stop sperging out whenever anyone dares to criticise the game.

I'm not the one who posts in a Fallout 4 thread all the time, plays Fallout 4 all the time, and then bitches about Fallout 4

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lane

You know it's possible to enjoy a game while still criticising its faults, right? Stop being autistic.

You can keep lobbing these childish insults at me because you're offended or some shit, I don't really mind. The truth is that Fallout 3 is probably one of the worst games of all time, and it's ridiculous that some people are so blinded by nostalgia to actually enjoy such a piece of trash. Fallout's tone is not a serious one, and retrofuturism was nonexistent in Fallout 3. Go play literally any other post apocalyptic game series if you want that grey and dreary cliche shit.

Jesus Christ you're impossible to talk to. This is you right now.

Stop trying to ram your opinions down other people's throats like they're fact. You do this in like every single thread.

You can throw about phrases like "Fallout has always been X" all you like but you don't seem to really understand it, you just throw it about to make it seem like you know what you're talking about.

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:30:29 AM

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Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:23:33 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:21:56 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:20:37 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:19:34 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:16:34 AM

Better dialogue system.
It actually had more than 2 unique towns that were far more interesting than any of 4's.
RPG mechanics.
No gimmicky shit like settlements or the legendary system.
There was actually an element of choice rather than forcing you to be either the good guy or the good guy on a bad day.
The game doesn't force you into a specific character, it lets you be whoever you want.
An actual atmosphere.
More unique weapons rather than just workshop weapons with a flashy effect.

LMAO

it's like you're going out of your way to dislike a game

it's like you want to dislike it

because all of this is either nitpicky to the extreme or just untrue

The funny thing is I don't dislike Fallout 4. Call it what you want, god forbid I prefer its predecessors. Stop sperging out whenever anyone dares to criticise the game.

I'm not the one who posts in a Fallout 4 thread all the time, plays Fallout 4 all the time, and then bitches about Fallout 4

pick

a

lane

You know it's possible to enjoy a game while still criticising its faults, right? Stop being autistic.

You can keep lobbing these childish insults at me because you're offended or some shit, I don't really mind. The truth is that Fallout 3 is probably one of the worst games of all time, and it's ridiculous that some people are so blinded by nostalgia to actually enjoy such a piece of trash. Fallout's tone is not a serious one, and retrofuturism was nonexistent in Fallout 3. Go play literally any other post apocalyptic game series if you want that grey and dreary cliche shit.

Jesus Christ you're impossible to talk to. This is you right now.

Stop trying to ram your opinions down other people's throats like they're fact. You do this in like every single thread.

You can throw about phrases like "Fallout has always been X" all you like but you don't seem to really understand it, you just throw it about to make it seem like you know what you're talking about.

Except I'm giving these crazy things called reasons.

So did I but you brushed it off as "nitpicking".

It's fine for you to criticise Fallout 3 but if Luciana or I dare criticise your precious Fallout 4 there's a problem?

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Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:30:29 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:25:58 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:23:33 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:21:56 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:20:37 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 02:19:34 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 02:16:34 AM

Better dialogue system.
It actually had more than 2 unique towns that were far more interesting than any of 4's.
RPG mechanics.
No gimmicky shit like settlements or the legendary system.
There was actually an element of choice rather than forcing you to be either the good guy or the good guy on a bad day.
The game doesn't force you into a specific character, it lets you be whoever you want.
An actual atmosphere.
More unique weapons rather than just workshop weapons with a flashy effect.

LMAO

it's like you're going out of your way to dislike a game

it's like you want to dislike it

because all of this is either nitpicky to the extreme or just untrue

The funny thing is I don't dislike Fallout 4. Call it what you want, god forbid I prefer its predecessors. Stop sperging out whenever anyone dares to criticise the game.

I'm not the one who posts in a Fallout 4 thread all the time, plays Fallout 4 all the time, and then bitches about Fallout 4

pick

a

lane

You know it's possible to enjoy a game while still criticising its faults, right? Stop being autistic.

You can keep lobbing these childish insults at me because you're offended or some shit, I don't really mind. The truth is that Fallout 3 is probably one of the worst games of all time, and it's ridiculous that some people are so blinded by nostalgia to actually enjoy such a piece of trash. Fallout's tone is not a serious one, and retrofuturism was nonexistent in Fallout 3. Go play literally any other post apocalyptic game series if you want that grey and dreary cliche shit.

Jesus Christ you're impossible to talk to. This is you right now.

Stop trying to ram your opinions down other people's throats like they're fact. You do this in like every single thread.

You can throw about phrases like "Fallout has always been X" all you like but you don't seem to really understand it, you just throw it about to make it seem like you know what you're talking about.

Except I'm giving these crazy things called reasons.

So did I but you brushed it off as "nitpicking".

It's fine for you to criticise Fallout 3 but if Luciana or I dare criticise your precious Fallout 4 there's a problem?

Because it was nitpicking. Settlements are kickass and an integral component of the game. But "lol no their gimmicks"

you could say anything is a gimmick

I could say that the lockpicking and hacking minigames in Fallout 3 are a gimmick, even though they're not

I just wanna go eat my breakfast I don't wanna have this pointless discussion.

Then go eat breakfast...this is a forum, the amount of time between replies doesn't matter. It's not a chat room, conversations can go on for days.

Integral in the sense they're a huge part of the game. There's tons of tools, tons of things to do, and tons of customization. They're awesome. God forbid Bethesda try new things.

I think the settlement system is alright, but I'd probably prefer it if we had one large settlement that can be built up, have more towns and let you establish relationships and trade routes with the NPCs.

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 03:02:01 AM

I never said anything was wrong with Bethesda trying new things, I just said that settlements were gimmicky. There isn't really much to do with them other than build and occasionally kill a group of enemies for them. I would have preferred to have had one large settlement with a more in-depth management system and more unique NPC settlements rather than 30 settlements, many of which are just ignored, a dull system and only 2 major towns.

Fallout 4 has 3 major towns: Diamond City, Goodneighbor, and Bunker Hill

Fallout 3 also only had 3: Rivet City, Megaton, and Tenpenny Tower.

So not sure what you're on about

Fallout 3 also has Underworld, Paradise Falls, Big Town, Little Lamplight, Canterbury Commons, and a few smaller towns.

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 03:05:34 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 03:02:01 AM

I never said anything was wrong with Bethesda trying new things, I just said that settlements were gimmicky. There isn't really much to do with them other than build and occasionally kill a group of enemies for them. I would have preferred to have had one large settlement with a more in-depth management system and more unique NPC settlements rather than 30 settlements, many of which are just ignored, a dull system and only 2 major towns.

Fallout 4 has 3 major towns: Diamond City, Goodneighbor, and Bunker Hill

Fallout 3 also only had 3: Rivet City, Megaton, and Tenpenny Tower.

So not sure what you're on about

Fallout 3 also has Underworld, Paradise Falls, Big Town, Little Lamplight, Canterbury Commons, and a few smaller towns.

If you're going to count all of those, then you also have to count the small towns in Fallout 4. Not only the many small encampments where traders are abound, but the faction housing like Old North Church, the Prydwen, the Institute, all the Minutemen bases, etc. And essentially, any settlement you create will eventually turn into an actual town, complete with doctors and trading, if you build it up enough.

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 03:09:24 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 07, 2016, 03:05:34 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on June 07, 2016, 03:02:01 AM

I never said anything was wrong with Bethesda trying new things, I just said that settlements were gimmicky. There isn't really much to do with them other than build and occasionally kill a group of enemies for them. I would have preferred to have had one large settlement with a more in-depth management system and more unique NPC settlements rather than 30 settlements, many of which are just ignored, a dull system and only 2 major towns.

Fallout 4 has 3 major towns: Diamond City, Goodneighbor, and Bunker Hill

Fallout 3 also only had 3: Rivet City, Megaton, and Tenpenny Tower.

So not sure what you're on about

Fallout 3 also has Underworld, Paradise Falls, Big Town, Little Lamplight, Canterbury Commons, and a few smaller towns.

If you're going to count all of those, then you also have to count the small towns in Fallout 4. Not only the many small encampments where traders are abound, but the faction housing like Old North Church, the Prydwen, the Institute, all the Minutemen bases, etc. And essentially, any settlement you create will eventually turn into an actual town, complete with doctors and trading, if you build it up enough.

I'm talking settlements with unique characters, not settlements with nameless NPCs you can trade with.

The main stories and questlines of both games are pretty lame tbh

The main stories and questlines of both games are pretty lame tbh

Also I agree with this. I just prefer Fallout 3's.