Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:22:25 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:21:01 PMI'll bet you're one of those people that denies the existence of pansexuality and writes it off as bisexuality. Just because they're slightly different but still very similar, it doesn't mean they're the same thing.Except I don't do that and didn't come close to arguing that. It's the same argument.
Quote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:21:01 PMI'll bet you're one of those people that denies the existence of pansexuality and writes it off as bisexuality. Just because they're slightly different but still very similar, it doesn't mean they're the same thing.Except I don't do that and didn't come close to arguing that.
I'll bet you're one of those people that denies the existence of pansexuality and writes it off as bisexuality. Just because they're slightly different but still very similar, it doesn't mean they're the same thing.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:24:27 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:22:10 PMAssumptions assumptions.You can be an atheist and spiritual. . . Theravada Buddhists manage it quite well.So, I'll ask you directly. Do you believe that a deity of any description exists?Hey guess what, the agnostic label still fits.That means I'm agnostic.So I specifically believe in anything? I can't tell you, because I don't acknowledge that which we don't know as an absolute. I don't need to go into detail about my beliefs or even my knowledge in scripture for you to tell me what I am because I already know.
Quote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:22:10 PMAssumptions assumptions.You can be an atheist and spiritual. . . Theravada Buddhists manage it quite well.So, I'll ask you directly. Do you believe that a deity of any description exists?
Assumptions assumptions.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:19:10 PMQuote from: Jimcantation on December 22, 2014, 07:14:09 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:12:00 PMQuote from: Jimcantation on December 22, 2014, 07:09:51 PMa stupid thing to argue about.That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.I'm curious though as to why you think my arguments were poor?The primary issue for me is a psychological one. Subjective meanings have the capacity to motivate and emote their holders, and since there is no sort of continued experience it doesn't matter that they might be forgotten. They still motivate the agent in such a span of time that it, as far as it matters, makes it permanent. Also, truth isn't predicated on some metaphysical conception of meaning. You could be correct in saying that subjective meaning is meaningless a priori, but that doesn't make the existence of a God any more likely.I'll bet you're one of those people that denies the existence of pansexuality and writes it off as bisexuality. Just because they're slightly different but still very similar, it doesn't mean they're the same thing.
Quote from: Jimcantation on December 22, 2014, 07:14:09 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:12:00 PMQuote from: Jimcantation on December 22, 2014, 07:09:51 PMa stupid thing to argue about.That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.I'm curious though as to why you think my arguments were poor?The primary issue for me is a psychological one. Subjective meanings have the capacity to motivate and emote their holders, and since there is no sort of continued experience it doesn't matter that they might be forgotten. They still motivate the agent in such a span of time that it, as far as it matters, makes it permanent. Also, truth isn't predicated on some metaphysical conception of meaning. You could be correct in saying that subjective meaning is meaningless a priori, but that doesn't make the existence of a God any more likely.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:12:00 PMQuote from: Jimcantation on December 22, 2014, 07:09:51 PMa stupid thing to argue about.That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.I'm curious though as to why you think my arguments were poor?
Quote from: Jimcantation on December 22, 2014, 07:09:51 PMa stupid thing to argue about.That's true for this entire thread, which is why it hasn't been moved to Serious.
a stupid thing to argue about.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:28:09 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:26:45 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:24:27 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:22:10 PMAssumptions assumptions.You can be an atheist and spiritual. . . Theravada Buddhists manage it quite well.So, I'll ask you directly. Do you believe that a deity of any description exists?Hey guess what, the agnostic label still fits.That means I'm agnostic.So I specifically believe in anything? I can't tell you, because I don't acknowledge that which we don't know as an absolute. I don't need to go into detail about my beliefs or even my knowledge in scripture for you to tell me what I am because I already know.Okay. But at no point did I say you weren't an agnostic. . .You said it was the same thing as being an atheist. Which I'm not.Most people that argue that also try to assert that by that logic, there's no such thing as agnostic.
Quote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:26:45 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:24:27 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:22:10 PMAssumptions assumptions.You can be an atheist and spiritual. . . Theravada Buddhists manage it quite well.So, I'll ask you directly. Do you believe that a deity of any description exists?Hey guess what, the agnostic label still fits.That means I'm agnostic.So I specifically believe in anything? I can't tell you, because I don't acknowledge that which we don't know as an absolute. I don't need to go into detail about my beliefs or even my knowledge in scripture for you to tell me what I am because I already know.Okay. But at no point did I say you weren't an agnostic. . .
, though sure, some people who say they're pan really are bi. But people are allowed to use whatever labels they want without being made fun of for it.
Quote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:32:39 PM, though sure, some people who say they're pan really are bi. But people are allowed to use whatever labels they want without being made fun of for it. But you're wrong. If someone's going to put themselves under a label, they better be doing it right.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 22, 2014, 07:35:07 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:32:39 PM, though sure, some people who say they're pan really are bi. But people are allowed to use whatever labels they want without being made fun of for it. But you're wrong. If someone's going to put themselves under a label, they better be doing it right.Why do you think people tend to change their labels as they walk through life? They're trying to figure out who and what they are.
That's nice.I still don't consider myself an atheist.
How come he hasn't used his power to get me a job yet? I've been trying for eight months. Surely he will intervene soon.
Quote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:35:37 PMThat's nice.I still don't consider myself an atheist.I don't know why you're so forcefully rejecting the idea of atheism. I'm certainly not trying to convince you to go around identifying as an atheist, I'm just trying to explain to you why you are philosophically an atheist whether you choose to identify in such a way or not. I'm not attempting to alter your behaviour in any way, I'm just trying to correct a confusion you have which I encounter often.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:39:51 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:35:37 PMThat's nice.I still don't consider myself an atheist.I don't know why you're so forcefully rejecting the idea of atheism. I'm certainly not trying to convince you to go around identifying as an atheist, I'm just trying to explain to you why you are philosophically an atheist whether you choose to identify in such a way or not. I'm not attempting to alter your behaviour in any way, I'm just trying to correct a confusion you have which I encounter often.Fundamentally they are different.Atheist: God does not ExistAgnostic: I don't know if God exists, and I never will.There we go. Not much pointing in going in circles now.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on December 22, 2014, 07:43:51 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 22, 2014, 07:39:51 PMQuote from: Nuka on December 22, 2014, 07:35:37 PMThat's nice.I still don't consider myself an atheist.I don't know why you're so forcefully rejecting the idea of atheism. I'm certainly not trying to convince you to go around identifying as an atheist, I'm just trying to explain to you why you are philosophically an atheist whether you choose to identify in such a way or not. I'm not attempting to alter your behaviour in any way, I'm just trying to correct a confusion you have which I encounter often.Fundamentally they are different.Atheist: God does not ExistAgnostic: I don't know if God exists, and I never will.There we go. Not much pointing in going in circles now.OH BOY LETS ARGUE SEMANTICS THAT'LL SOLVE THINGS.
You guys do understand I posted this in the Flood and not serious because it was a direct quote from some wiggers status on my FB friends.
So it looks like PSU trolled you guys pretty good
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 22, 2014, 09:05:53 PMQuote from: / on December 22, 2014, 09:03:16 PMSo it looks like PSU trolled you guys pretty goodNope.Prove me wrong.9. Fucking. Pages.
Quote from: / on December 22, 2014, 09:03:16 PMSo it looks like PSU trolled you guys pretty goodNope.Prove me wrong.
Real talk homie
Fundamentally they are different.Atheist: God does not Exist
Quote from: Rocketman287 on December 22, 2014, 07:43:51 PMFundamentally they are different.Atheist: God does not Existthat's a gnostic atheistif you're an agnostic atheist, which comprises the majority of atheists, you say, "i don't believe in god, but i don't know for sure"very few (intelligent) atheists claim to "know" that there's no godmy perspective is--no one knows for sure, so everyone is an agnostic.gnosticism is idiocyalso, i request a lock
You Can Decide To Trust God, Or You Can Remain Miserable.
