So in a society where anything goes, why would consent matter Since you said there is nothing wrong with a society without values
If you're against gay people being parents, you're against gay people.Whatever you think is acceptable for straight people, you have to think is acceptable for gay people, or else you're a bigot. Simple as that.
Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 07:59:09 PMIf you're against gay people being parents, you're against gay people.Whatever you think is acceptable for straight people, you have to think is acceptable for gay people, or else you're a bigot. Simple as that.Unless there is direct evidence against it
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 07:52:45 PMSo in a society where anything goes, why would consent matter Since you said there is nothing wrong with a society without valuesExcept for consent.Consent is the one value. Next to suffering, it's pretty much the only thing that matters in the world.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 30, 2016, 08:00:57 PMQuote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 07:52:45 PMSo in a society where anything goes, why would consent matter Since you said there is nothing wrong with a society without valuesExcept for consent.Consent is the one value. Next to suffering, it's pretty much the only thing that matters in the world.So what if two people consented to something that harms an unknowing third party What if two people consent to go fuck a dead body together What if two people consent to do all they can to increase global warmingAll this is fine I guess because people consent Or if I don't consent to paying my taxesOr if I don't consent to feeding my child Or if I don't consent to putting my child in school
So what if two people consented to something that harms an unknowing third party
What if two people consent to go fuck a dead body together
What if two people consent to do all they can to increase global warming
Or if I don't consent to paying my taxes
Or if I don't consent to feeding my child
Or if I don't consent to putting my child in school
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:04:32 PMQuote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 07:59:09 PMIf you're against gay people being parents, you're against gay people.Whatever you think is acceptable for straight people, you have to think is acceptable for gay people, or else you're a bigot. Simple as that.Unless there is direct evidence against itNo. Wrong. Especially if there's direct evidence against it. You can't help the way you're born, and you deserve every right that anyone else has when you're born. That includes having kids.Your argument is no different than looking at crime statistics and disdaining black people as a whole due to it. If you're discriminating against someone because of how they were born then, little statistics or not, you're a bigot. That's literally the definition of bigot.
Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 08:11:28 PMQuote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:04:32 PMQuote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 07:59:09 PMIf you're against gay people being parents, you're against gay people.Whatever you think is acceptable for straight people, you have to think is acceptable for gay people, or else you're a bigot. Simple as that.Unless there is direct evidence against itNo. Wrong. Especially if there's direct evidence against it. You can't help the way you're born, and you deserve every right that anyone else has when you're born. That includes having kids.Your argument is no different than looking at crime statistics and disdaining black people as a whole due to it. If you're discriminating against someone because of how they were born then, little statistics or not, you're a bigot. That's literally the definition of bigot.Except being black affects no one And if I'm born schizophrenic and shoot up a school, it wouldn't be my fault because I was born that way
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:12:14 PMSo what if two people consented to something that harms an unknowing third partyThen that's wrong. ALL parties must be willing.QuoteWhat if two people consent to go fuck a dead body together Nothing wrong with that.QuoteWhat if two people consent to do all they can to increase global warmingThat harms a third party, being the rest of humanity, so it's wrong.QuoteOr if I don't consent to paying my taxesHarms society.QuoteOr if I don't consent to feeding my child Harms your child.QuoteOr if I don't consent to putting my child in schoolHarms your child.I think this basically settles it--you are THE dumbest user on this forum.
So consent has to extend to even the most far reaching outcomes of your choice?
And what of consent made by completely uninformed people?I suppose it would be ok for two people to willingly feed each other rat poison if they consented
And so what if what I do harms society?No one is saying they don't consent to me doing what I want
There's nothing wrong at all with two people knowingly feeding each other rat poison. It's just suicide.Wait. Please don't tell me you're one of those retards who thinks suicide is morally wrong...
Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 08:22:37 PMThere's nothing wrong at all with two people knowingly feeding each other rat poison. It's just suicide.Wait. Please don't tell me you're one of those retards who thinks suicide is morally wrong...He's talking about people drinking something that they don't know will kill them.which is even dumber
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:20:52 PMSo consent has to extend to even the most far reaching outcomes of your choice?Yes. If a third party's rights or autonomy would be affected by your choice in any way, you must have their consent.QuoteAnd what of consent made by completely uninformed people?I suppose it would be ok for two people to willingly feed each other rat poison if they consented Well, yeah. It's your responsibility not to be a dumbfuck and drink rat poison.If you were tricked into drinking rat poison BY A THIRD PARTY, then there you go--consent was violated.QuoteAnd so what if what I do harms society?No one is saying they don't consent to me doing what I wantBecause most of what you want to do doesn't directly affect them.You can only consent to something if it will have obvious or direct implications on you.
Pretty much everything you do will affect a third party in some shape or form
Quote from: Verbatim on March 30, 2016, 08:26:59 PMQuote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 08:22:37 PMThere's nothing wrong at all with two people knowingly feeding each other rat poison. It's just suicide.Wait. Please don't tell me you're one of those retards who thinks suicide is morally wrong...He's talking about people drinking something that they don't know will kill them.which is even dumberoh my godI'm 1000% done with this thread
But I guess raising your kid alone on welfare is alright since you consented to sex
Two people having sex has zero effect on others, more so if others don't know about it (it's not like they need to know about it). Sorry, I left for about an hour and a half and came right in and this was the first thing I read. Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:35:39 PMPretty much everything you do will affect a third party in some shape or form
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:35:39 PMPretty much everything you do will affect a third party in some shape or formYes. So it's our duty to mitigate that as much as possible.
Why would you base morality on something so convoluted?
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:47:33 PMWhy would you base morality on something so convoluted?How is it convoluted? It's the simplest fucking thing. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Except there is no way to know how far every act extends
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 08:53:31 PMExcept there is no way to know how far every act extendsWhich is why, like I literally just said, you must act to the best of your ability. There is no other way.
Other relationships could be with animals, kids, and inanimate objects
For those arguing about the child being effected: Should women over 40 be denied the right to give birth? After 40 the risk of your children having Downs Syndrome skyrocket. I see no laws setting a maximum age for pregnancy. Incest isn't a sure way to birth defects. So... As long as everyone is adult and consenting, it's no business of mine if they are together
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on March 30, 2016, 10:02:01 PMFor those arguing about the child being effected: Should women over 40 be denied the right to give birth? After 40 the risk of your children having Downs Syndrome skyrocket. I see no laws setting a maximum age for pregnancy. Incest isn't a sure way to birth defects. So... As long as everyone is adult and consenting, it's no business of mine if they are togetherNigga I never said that gay people shouldn't raise kids
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