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Mary Jane, definitely. I'd prefer a short term, mild headache afterwards than vomiting for 14 hours.

If you get a headache from smoking weed that shit had mildew or was harvested way too early and grown badly.

Or it was laced with something.

When I say "mild" headache, I mean incredibly. It's not quite a headache, but that's the closest thing I can think to describe it with.

Reread my post.

If you feel any painful symptoms from smoking weed, it's got mildew, it's fucking terrible quality, or it was laced with something.

Reread my post.

It's not an actual headache, but that's the closest thing I can describe it as. It's more like a ringing feeling, but even that is a fucking terrible descriptor.

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If you feel any painful symptoms from smoking weed, it's got mildew, it's fucking terrible quality, or it was laced with something.

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It's not an actual headache

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It's more like a ringing feeling

Let's phrase it a different way: There's no pain, it's more like a ringing feeling. Headache was just the best word I could think of for it at the time.

Which means the weed was harvested early and it's fucking trash. The trichomes haven't developed properly and haven't filled with THC. The little orange/red hairs aren't orange/red or probably not even there. It was probably harvested terribly too with the majority of the leaves just mushed into it.

Essentially you smoked a bunch of dry leaves and if you got "high" from that it was a placebo effect.

Much better explanation of what I would feel.

By "ringing", I don't mean like ringing in my ears. It's more like waves would run through my skull and I'd feel groggy. I always assumed that it was just the head-high fading away, and I'm still quite sure that's what it was. Especially considering this happened every time I smoked no matter who I got it from.

also, whatever happened to "weed affects different people differently"

It would... collide with my ADHD?

can it? is that possible?

Quote from: Verbatim on May 26, 2015, 02:00:08 PM

also, whatever happened to "weed affects different people differently"

It would... collide with my ADHD?

can it? is that possible?

I'm pretty sure it's different strains of weed affects people differently.

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Drink, you can have a beer or wine fairly regularly without addiction. The same cannot be said for marijuana

Fucking troll or just a pleb moron I can't tell.. Get educated ignorant fool.

Alcohol can become physically addictive whereas marijuana is only mentally addictive and that's really just speculation. Hell sugar is more addictive than fucking weed... Smh

You realise that the concept of physical and mental addiction has been long since discarded by doctors, psychiatrists and anyone with sense right? You are basing your opinion off of an invalid concept.

Sure I am. Nice bullshit though it's so pretty you should hang it up on your fridge.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-addiction/201007/physical-addiction-or-psychological-addiction-is-there-real

Here you are, even from the very same source our neutral friend cited.

Okay now that I'm no longer at work I had time to look over the article you posted, and it has a fair point about addictions I'll give you that. In saying this I should explain myself better I shouldn't have used the terms "mentally addictive". What I meant is that if you already have an addictive personality then it is more likely that you will become dependent on the psyche altering state that marijuana offers. That was an interesting article, and I will have to do more research on the topic of physical versus mental addictions. Thanks for actually sourcing your information most people don't when challenged to explain themselves.  Bravo.

Also sorry for being a cunt. <3

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Drink, you can have a beer or wine fairly regularly without addiction. The same cannot be said for marijuana

Lol, what? I've gone months, even one time, a year without smoking. I'm so casual, usually two hits of even the most minor stuff makes me either very energetic or super relaxed/tired. If it was legalized everywhere though, I would have a more equalized balanced of it in my diet, but it has not and never will rule me.

Well then lucky you.

It has nothing to do with luck. Weed isn't addictive.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive

Educate yourself

Okay here comes the conspiracy side of Kitsune... You actually trust what a USA government website has to say about an illegal drug that they illegalized in order to save the paper companies from going out of business, and to gain more money off of those who chose to continue to use it despite the legal status?  It's fine if you don't like it, but come on seriously?

"Some parties have argued that the aim of the Act was to reduce the size of the hemp industry[7][8][9] largely as an effort of businessmen Andrew Mellon, Randolph Hearst, and the Du Pont family.[7][9] The same parties have argued that with the invention of the decorticator, hemp had become a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry.[7][10] These parties argue that Hearst felt that this was a threat to his extensive timber holdings."

Although, it was later stated that it wasn't really a competitor to that of the paper industry, and "Today, it is generally accepted that the hearings included incorrect, excessive or unfounded arguments."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937

Quote from: Sprungli on May 26, 2015, 11:30:02 AM

Okay we all get that marijuana has the potential for addiction. Psychology debates on whether or not it's physical or mental aside. I just want to know, how is that potential for addiction more significant than alcohol's? A substance whose physical withdraw symptoms will make you sick and can literally kill you.

It makes absolutely no logical sense. I don't understand why someone would make such a claim, because it further invalidates their side of the argument in the eyes of those on the other side. Hell even in the eyes of those who are neutral. What's the point of even arguing over this if you're just going to immediately shrink the amount of influence you might have had on the people you're arguing with and practically remove any chance you had of convincing them? Is it merely to feed the ego?

Seriously, I'm genuinely curious.

All I said was that I preferred alcohol, and that in moderate amounts it was less harmful, less likely to cause addiction. Perhaps my objectivity is tainted by real-life experiences, but i've seen more addicted to weed then to alcohol.

Besides, if not because people were refusing to acknowledge the mere possibility of addiction then it's always interesting to learn the perspectives of those so firmly in the weed camp or anti-opposing-view camp.

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Drink, you can have a beer or wine fairly regularly without addiction. The same cannot be said for marijuana

Fucking troll or just a pleb moron I can't tell.. Get educated ignorant fool.

Alcohol can become physically addictive whereas marijuana is only mentally addictive and that's really just speculation. Hell sugar is more addictive than fucking weed... Smh

You realise that the concept of physical and mental addiction has been long since discarded by doctors, psychiatrists and anyone with sense right? You are basing your opinion off of an invalid concept.

Sure I am. Nice bullshit though it's so pretty you should hang it up on your fridge.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-addiction/201007/physical-addiction-or-psychological-addiction-is-there-real

Here you are, even from the very same source our neutral friend cited.

Okay now that I'm no longer at work I had time to look over the article you posted, and it has a fair point about addictions I'll give you that. In saying this I should explain myself better I shouldn't have used the terms "mentally addictive". What I meant is that if you already have an addictive personality then it is more likely that you will become dependent on the psyche altering state that marijuana offers. That was an interesting article, and I will have to do more research on the topic of physical versus mental addictions. Thanks for actually sourcing your information most people don't when challenged to explain themselves.  Bravo.

Also sorry for being a cunt. <3

Thanks, and naturally certain people are predisposed to addiction. I think that as someone younger, the effects of weed vs the effects of alcohol on people my age influence my view; you read the article, and there is a dramatic increase in weed addiction in the young compared to adults.

Drink alcohol. I've done it before.

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Okay we all get that marijuana has the potential for addiction. Psychology debates on whether or not it's physical or mental aside. I just want to know, how is that potential for addiction more significant than alcohol's? A substance whose physical withdraw symptoms will make you sick and can literally kill you.

It makes absolutely no logical sense. I don't understand why someone would make such a claim, because it further invalidates their side of the argument in the eyes of those on the other side. Hell even in the eyes of those who are neutral. What's the point of even arguing over this if you're just going to immediately shrink the amount of influence you might have had on the people you're arguing with and practically remove any chance you had of convincing them? Is it merely to feed the ego?

Seriously, I'm genuinely curious.

All I said was that I preferred alcohol, and that in moderate amounts it was less harmful, less likely to cause addiction. Perhaps my objectivity is tainted by real-life experiences, but i've seen more addicted to weed then to alcohol.

Besides, if not because people were refusing to acknowledge the mere possibility of addiction then it's always interesting to learn the perspectives of those so firmly in the weed camp or anti-opposing-view camp.

You actually enlightened me about the addiction part. The side effects are very similar to a caffeine withdrawal, however; caffeine has bad health side effects since it can increase your heart rate whereas marijuana doesn't.  So yes I can see where it can be addictive hell a lot of articles online quoted 9% of marijuana users as addicts, but in my eyes it's not much different than a caffeine or sugar addiction.

Perhaps, though caffeine and sugar don't lend themselves to increased rates of dementia and schizophrenia though either. Although apparently their substitutes do.

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Quote from: Sprungli on May 25, 2015, 05:28:59 PM

Drink, you can have a beer or wine fairly regularly without addiction. The same cannot be said for marijuana

Lol, what? I've gone months, even one time, a year without smoking. I'm so casual, usually two hits of even the most minor stuff makes me either very energetic or super relaxed/tired. If it was legalized everywhere though, I would have a more equalized balanced of it in my diet, but it has not and never will rule me.

Well then lucky you.

It has nothing to do with luck. Weed isn't addictive.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive

Educate yourself

Okay here comes the conspiracy side of Kitsune... You actually trust what a USA government website has to say about an illegal drug that they illegalized in order to save the paper companies from going out of business, and to gain more money off of those who chose to continue to use it despite the legal status?  It's fine if you don't like it, but come on seriously?

"Some parties have argued that the aim of the Act was to reduce the size of the hemp industry[7][8][9] largely as an effort of businessmen Andrew Mellon, Randolph Hearst, and the Du Pont family.[7][9] The same parties have argued that with the invention of the decorticator, hemp had become a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry.[7][10] These parties argue that Hearst felt that this was a threat to his extensive timber holdings."

Although, it was later stated that it wasn't really a competitor to that of the paper industry, and "Today, it is generally accepted that the hearings included incorrect, excessive or unfounded arguments."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937

Fair enough. Excuse me for basing my perspective off of the law of my country though; there is a lot more on the European side against weed than there is Stateside.

Weed is illegal for a reason, it's harmful. Separate from that though; I actually think it should be legalised and regulated, hopping back over to the US for a second shows us the disastrous consequences of prohibition; hopping to Columbia gives us a million reasons to legitimize many people theres main source of income-taking it away from the cartels would be a wise move, and a step to demilitarization of Columbian and more pressingly, US police forces.

It's okay everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I can respect that. What about the medicinal purposes that marijuana offers through multiple ways? It can shrink inoperable brain tumors to the point to where they can safely remove it, it's also used to treat Crones disease because it slows down your digestion, and it can even help with neurological issues such as seizure disorders. The latter was why it was legalized for very specified medical cases in Georgia, but mainly because all the families with the seizing children had to move to Colorado, and other states where it's legal.

Useful:

funny how it lists morphine as a narcotic, not an anesthetic

I know, it's likely because of its similarity to heroin.

Quote from: Prime Servitor on May 25, 2015, 10:33:57 PM

Mary Jane, definitely. I'd prefer a short term, mild headache afterwards than vomiting for 14 hours.

I thought you could handle your liquor...

Drunk is drunk, man.

Weed. Frequent binge drinking has made it hard to even get a decent buzz nowadays. I was halfway through a bottle of Jack before I realized how much I actually drank and I was barely buzzed.