A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it.
Quote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:21:35 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.The key here is escape.
Quote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.
Well, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.
Quote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:29:12 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:21:35 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.The key here is escape.Pft, Flare Guns? In California? For non-boating use? That's hilarious.
Quote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:35:48 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:29:12 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:21:35 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.The key here is escape.Pft, Flare Guns? In California? For non-boating use? That's hilarious.Dude I live in fucking Saskatchewan. The nearest ocean is two provinces away and the biggest fucking lake we have is a puddle compared to the great lakes.And I could probably go to my local co-op convienence store or gas station and buy a flare gun. Or alternately, order one and have it shipped over in a week.
Quote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:39:26 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:35:48 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:29:12 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:21:35 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.The key here is escape.Pft, Flare Guns? In California? For non-boating use? That's hilarious.Dude I live in fucking Saskatchewan. The nearest ocean is two provinces away and the biggest fucking lake we have is a puddle compared to the great lakes.And I could probably go to my local co-op convienence store or gas station and buy a flare gun. Or alternately, order one and have it shipped over in a week.We have issues with...flammability.Flare guns are only legal for use as a maritime signaling device here. To much threat of fire otherwise.
Quote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:47:31 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:39:26 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:35:48 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:29:12 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:21:35 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.The key here is escape.Pft, Flare Guns? In California? For non-boating use? That's hilarious.Dude I live in fucking Saskatchewan. The nearest ocean is two provinces away and the biggest fucking lake we have is a puddle compared to the great lakes.And I could probably go to my local co-op convienence store or gas station and buy a flare gun. Or alternately, order one and have it shipped over in a week.We have issues with...flammability.Flare guns are only legal for use as a maritime signaling device here. To much threat of fire otherwise. Just maritime?I could have sworn there was an FAA regulation regarding them and title 91 or commercial aircraft... or maybe that was just for flight over water like the life vest regulations....
Quote from: DASIUS B00TICUS ^II on February 23, 2015, 11:49:52 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:47:31 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:39:26 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:35:48 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:29:12 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:21:35 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.The key here is escape.Pft, Flare Guns? In California? For non-boating use? That's hilarious.Dude I live in fucking Saskatchewan. The nearest ocean is two provinces away and the biggest fucking lake we have is a puddle compared to the great lakes.And I could probably go to my local co-op convienence store or gas station and buy a flare gun. Or alternately, order one and have it shipped over in a week.We have issues with...flammability.Flare guns are only legal for use as a maritime signaling device here. To much threat of fire otherwise. Just maritime?I could have sworn there was an FAA regulation regarding them and title 91 or commercial aircraft... or maybe that was just for flight over water like the life vest regulations....There might be. But it's pretty much for signaling only. We can't use them for anything else because it's to much fun...and potentially combustible. We can't even use phosphorous tracers
Quote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:47:31 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:39:26 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:35:48 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 11:29:12 PMQuote from: Kernel Kraut on February 23, 2015, 11:21:35 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 23, 2015, 08:03:12 PMWell, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You eitherA) Have nothing to defend yourself withB) Have something to defend yourself withThere's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray. A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch? Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it. What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.The key here is escape.Pft, Flare Guns? In California? For non-boating use? That's hilarious.Dude I live in fucking Saskatchewan. The nearest ocean is two provinces away and the biggest fucking lake we have is a puddle compared to the great lakes.And I could probably go to my local co-op convienence store or gas station and buy a flare gun. Or alternately, order one and have it shipped over in a week.We have issues with...flammability.Flare guns are only legal for use as a maritime signaling device here. To much threat of fire otherwise. Dude.....I live in a completely flat province, with high winds almost all year round. There are miles and miles of fucking fields. Just flat, flammable fields. And get this.FARMERS LIGHT THEIR FIELDS ON FIRE AT THE END OF CROP SEASON.Are you fucking telling me that freedomslovia is afraid of a fucking flare gun? I mean I understand flammability warnings. There's a lot of fires in this province if somebody can't keep their field burning under control or lightening hits the wrong spot.But I mean fuck. If my shitty little old province can do it then your state can too. Although, then again, americants are afraid of healthcare too.You know what? Fuck it. Just stick to AC/DC's old addage.Fire your guns.
But krautdon't you live innadesert?
Dude.....I live in a completely flat province, with high winds almost all year round. There are miles and miles of fucking fields. Just flat, flammable fields. And get this.FARMERS LIGHT THEIR FIELDS ON FIRE AT THE END OF CROP SEASON.Are you fucking telling me that freedomslovia is afraid of a fucking flare gun? I mean I understand flammability warnings. There's a lot of fires in this province if somebody can't keep their field burning under control or lightening hits the wrong spot.But I mean fuck. If my shitty little old province can do it then your state can too. Although, then again, americants are afraid of healthcare too.You know what? Fuck it. Just stick to AC/DC's old addage.Fire your guns.
Quote from: Sandtrap on February 24, 2015, 12:07:04 AMDude.....I live in a completely flat province, with high winds almost all year round. There are miles and miles of fucking fields. Just flat, flammable fields. And get this.FARMERS LIGHT THEIR FIELDS ON FIRE AT THE END OF CROP SEASON.Are you fucking telling me that freedomslovia is afraid of a fucking flare gun? I mean I understand flammability warnings. There's a lot of fires in this province if somebody can't keep their field burning under control or lightening hits the wrong spot.But I mean fuck. If my shitty little old province can do it then your state can too. Although, then again, americants are afraid of healthcare too.You know what? Fuck it. Just stick to AC/DC's old addage.Fire your guns.look at it this way. We've been in a drought for the better part of ten years. We have many places with old growth chapparal scrubland that hasen't burned in decades. We have mountain passes and valleys that funnel hot dry winds from the center of the continent to the ocean. When we get fires in our mountains they burn hot, and they burn fast. The fires get started, get fanned by the hot dry Santa Ana winds blowing out of the east. The fire then grows big enough to form it's own wind systems which makes it worse. It starts to burn the old growth essentially native dead bushes and gets hotter and more intense. To make matter worse, the fires are not defined by a line of flame. They spot with the wind. Embers and sparks get blow for miles all around the fire starting smaller spot fires. Combined with the verticality of the mountains that make it incredibly difficult to traverse the terrain to fight the fires, we get some pretty wild fire seasons. It's not uncommon for a fire to start late in the afternoon and burn a thousand acres by night fall. It's not uncommon for a fire to burn tens of thousands of acres in a week. That's why we can only use flare guns in extreme situations. Even then if you start a fire, you will get finned regardless of the circumstances.
Quote from: Kernel Kraut on February 24, 2015, 12:21:38 AMQuote from: Sandtrap on February 24, 2015, 12:07:04 AMDude.....I live in a completely flat province, with high winds almost all year round. There are miles and miles of fucking fields. Just flat, flammable fields. And get this.FARMERS LIGHT THEIR FIELDS ON FIRE AT THE END OF CROP SEASON.Are you fucking telling me that freedomslovia is afraid of a fucking flare gun? I mean I understand flammability warnings. There's a lot of fires in this province if somebody can't keep their field burning under control or lightening hits the wrong spot.But I mean fuck. If my shitty little old province can do it then your state can too. Although, then again, americants are afraid of healthcare too.You know what? Fuck it. Just stick to AC/DC's old addage.Fire your guns.look at it this way. We've been in a drought for the better part of ten years. We have many places with old growth chapparal scrubland that hasen't burned in decades. We have mountain passes and valleys that funnel hot dry winds from the center of the continent to the ocean. When we get fires in our mountains they burn hot, and they burn fast. The fires get started, get fanned by the hot dry Santa Ana winds blowing out of the east. The fire then grows big enough to form it's own wind systems which makes it worse. It starts to burn the old growth essentially native dead bushes and gets hotter and more intense. To make matter worse, the fires are not defined by a line of flame. They spot with the wind. Embers and sparks get blow for miles all around the fire starting smaller spot fires. Combined with the verticality of the mountains that make it incredibly difficult to traverse the terrain to fight the fires, we get some pretty wild fire seasons. It's not uncommon for a fire to start late in the afternoon and burn a thousand acres by night fall. It's not uncommon for a fire to burn tens of thousands of acres in a week. That's why we can only use flare guns in extreme situations. Even then if you start a fire, you will get finned regardless of the circumstances.Gee, if only you guys got normal levels of rainfall and norcal didn't have to subsidize your welfare queen cities...
would you break the law if it made you safer?
