would you break the law if it made you safer?

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I'm really considering getting my ccw and carrying on campus at college. Thing is, California has no campus carry, and I'd need the permission of the president of the school.

I have a really late class that lets out at 8-9 in a secluded part of the campus. There are 6 of us in the class. Last month two students were attacked, one girl sexually assaulte,  oneman was almost mugged at knife point. They think it was the same guy, and he was never caught. These attacks happened in the same part of campus and the same time that my class lets out.

Given my situation, would you, after taking legal steps for permission, carry regardless. Would you break the law if it meant your safety?


No, im not doing that. I dont have the permit, and if i applied, it would take more time to get it than there are weeks of class. Noy only that, but i talked to the president about it, and he seemed willing to give out permission.


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In your situation, yeah.

Just don't get caught. I think it's reasonable to carry a weapon given all that has happened.


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I can't use an image in my signature? That blows, you all blow.
In your situation, yeah.

Just don't get caught. I think it's reasonable to carry a weapon given all that has happened.

Well i got my pocket knife, but im fucking boned if i have to actually pull it on soneone. But, its better than nothing.


 
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I have before... I don't think I'd do it again since I'm not exactly a dumb teen running to the city at night. And I don't have a handgun anymore. Shit, I technically even owned that illegally.
Be super fucking mindful of your weapon printing if you do, man.


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I don't even know. I personally wouldn't take the risk. If you do use it, you might be charged anyway because you weren't supposed to have it in the first place. This would likely result in you losing the handgun and prevent you from buying guns in the future. I would try to get a better class schedule. If I couldn't do that, I would park in the safest and most publicly visible place possible. Even then, I would carry some mace. You can have a knife or a taser on you and that's fine. But at least mace has some range. Seriously, get some pepper spray. And don't get no pussy shit either. Get some of the hardcore stuff rated to take aot a damn bear(but still for humans). Don't be stingy with money over it either. When it comes to personal protection, you should never limit yourself to cheap and unreliable equipment. You should probably get a stun gun too. Just in case.


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I can't use an image in my signature? That blows, you all blow.
I have before... I don't think I'd do it again since I'm not exactly a dumb teen running to the city at night. And I don't have a handgun anymore. Shit, I technically even owned that illegally.
Be super fucking mindful of your weapon printing if you do, man.

I have a shit load of shirts i cal CC Shirts. They're long and loose. Im also acquiring sone long button up shirts too. But i agree, i need to see how bad they print with iwb


 
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You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.

The type you seem to be concerned about is more of a rampant idiot. If you look any threatening he won't come to make your day nasty. So you need the gun just as a deterrent. You should also carry a flashlight, and/or pepper spray. Also, if he manages to mug you from close then you risk that he steals your gun. That would make your situation really shitty.
Last Edit: February 23, 2015, 08:01:54 PM by Isara


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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

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Well, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You either

A) Have nothing to defend yourself with
B) Have something to defend yourself with

There's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.

To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.

But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.

This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.

Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.

My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.

For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.

If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.



 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.


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You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

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I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
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to this
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Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.


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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?


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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

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I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.
No, I don't. That's why I'm asking these questions, and why if I ever get another handgun I'm going to be biased towards snubnose revolvers.


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I can't use an image in my signature? That blows, you all blow.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.
No, I don't. That's why I'm asking these questions, and why if I ever get another handgun I'm going to be biased towards snubnose revolvers.
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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.
No, I don't. That's why I'm asking these questions, and why if I ever get another handgun I'm going to be biased towards snubnose revolvers.
Well now you know. Carrying with an empty chamber in a revolver is a completely different concept than carrying with an empty chamber on a semi-automatic. Once you get one, you will understand


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

YouTube

I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.
No, I don't. That's why I'm asking these questions, and why if I ever get another handgun I'm going to be biased towards snubnose revolvers.
DAS

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are you a fudd?
By your standards, probably.
I mean, my favorite rifle that I've shot has been this Remington .44 mag.

Love it more than my issued A4.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

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I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
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to this
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Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.
No, I don't. That's why I'm asking these questions, and why if I ever get another handgun I'm going to be biased towards snubnose revolvers.
DAS

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are you a fudd?

DAS sounds like a fudd. I mean, look at that Colt Navy he has. It's a fucking COLT FUCKING NAVY
Well, it's actually just a cap gun model designed for reenactors on a budget. 


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I can't use an image in my signature? That blows, you all blow.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

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I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.
No, I don't. That's why I'm asking these questions, and why if I ever get another handgun I'm going to be biased towards snubnose revolvers.
DAS

tell the truth now

are you a fudd?

DAS sounds like a fudd. I mean, look at that Colt Navy he has. It's a fucking COLT FUCKING NAVY
Well, it's actually just a cap gun model designed for reenactors on a budget.

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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
You can break the law if you think it will make your life better. However, you risk facing consequences for doing such. It's better to get a permission, and keep the whole matter quiet. Never show or use your gun unless it's last resort. Keep the ammo and the gun separated.
I would never advise to keep the ammunition and the gun separated when carrying. It's a bad idea and it gives the attacker several extra seconds to get to you. Often time those are several extra seconds that you don't have. If you really don't trust yourself with the ammo and the gun together, the most I would ever except would be keeping the loaded magazine in the gun but the chamber empty. Even then, that's stretching it. If you're prepared to carry a firearm and use it in self-defense, you should be prepared to keep it loaded.

YouTube

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I dunno man, I had a habit of only loading five because old wheel gun and carrying on an empty chamber.
If you trained at it, it shouldn't take much more time to slide your action on a modern handgun, or even do it on the draw.

I only feel comfortable walking with a red m16 because it's in my hands and nothing but my thumb can fuck with that safety.
Refer to the videos above
I watched them.

And dry running with some reenactor-type prop-like weaponry, I don't think that girl reacted as fast as one could

I mean, I'm drunk, and it's still one fluid, quick motion from this
Spoiler
to this
Spoiler
Even with this stupidly long barrel that would be beyond reasonable for a CCW.
Revolvers are a completely different concept when it comes to having an empty chamber. I personally still wouldn't take the chance.
There can't be that much a time difference between cocking a hammer and pulling a slide, right?
I mean, yeah, I little further to move, but still... a similar draw can be made, right?
Do you even own a semi-automatic handgun? Cocking a hammer and racking a slide are two completely different motions that each require different applications of force. With a hammer, all you need is your thumb on one hand, With a slide, you need an entire free hand. If you are prepared to carry, you should be prepared to carry loaded.
No, I don't. That's why I'm asking these questions, and why if I ever get another handgun I'm going to be biased towards snubnose revolvers.
DAS

tell the truth now

are you a fudd?

DAS sounds like a fudd. I mean, look at that Colt Navy he has. It's a fucking COLT FUCKING NAVY
Well, it's actually just a cap gun model designed for reenactors on a budget.

poorfag
Yeah...

Well, no... I just spend my money on guitars and motorcycles so there's none extre left over for me to have funs.


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Well, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You either

A) Have nothing to defend yourself with
B) Have something to defend yourself with

There's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.

To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.

But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.

This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.

Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.

My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.

For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.

If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.

I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray.

A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch?

Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it.

What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.


 
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Well, here's the thing. Take a look at your options. Let's say for instance that one night your card comes calling and it's your lucky night. Rapist mugger shows up. You either

A) Have nothing to defend yourself with
B) Have something to defend yourself with

There's plenty of other scenarios and of course, simply having a gun on you might not even help you if he gets the jump on you from behind. But for all intents and purposes, let's just say it's face to face and you know his intent.

To give an example, Canadian laws are a lot stricter here. In general, everything falls down to the police to do. And that's fair. But at the same time, if you defend yourself from a home invasion you yourself can be fined. Hell if the home invader was an asshole they could play the legal system and sue you.

But think of it like this. Would you really let somebody break into your home and not defend yourself and wait for the police? You could be dead by the time they show up. Or in some other horrible situation.

This same rule applies to you although I assume you're american.

Except that your issue is, while you can legally defend yourself if attacked, if the authorities find out that you used an unlicensed firearm or god forbid you kill the dude, you'll be in shit.

My best advice is to think of another weapon. Something that's small, easy to carry, easy to hide, and has no chance of killing the attacker but gives you enough room to defend yourself.

For example. Bear Spray. Anybody who gets hit with that shit WILL NOT fight. They won't even be able to stand.

If the attacker hasn't used a gun yet, then don't escalate things.

I take issue with both Tazers (not tazers, but rather stun guns since Tazers are verboten) and Mace/bear spray.

A key defensive principle is to put as much distance between you and your aggressor. A stun gun requires you to be in physical contact with an aggressor to be effective. Not to mention people who are just naturally resistant to the shock put out by a stun gun. If you cannot retreat from someone who wants to cause you harm, are you really going to want to let them get close enough to touch?

Pepper Spray/Bear spray are a little more ranged, but you are still within 10 feet of the threat. Not to mention that both are indiscriminate in how the operate. A rogue gust can render your spray useless and you could gas your self like it was Verdun all over again. Not to mention individuals who have built up a tolerance to CS gas in general. There are crazy fucks outside of correctional officers who actually spray them selves to build tolerance to it.

What you need in a defensive situation is what's called "Stand Off Capability." The ability to put distance between your self an a threat while maintaining an ability to engage from that distance should the need arise. Neither Stun Guns nor spray really fill this role. They are both close range weapons, and being close could mean being dead.

Well, then it's your call. I don't know about you, but another defensive tool you can use that technically doesn't break the law is a flare gun. You can legally own a flaregun. At least, up here you can.

However. There is the problem of how much damage a flare gun can do. Phosphorus burns and sticks. Hit somebody with that and they're going to be in a lot of pain. Will it kill them? Hard to say. But then again, if you're carrying a gun does it really matter?

But I can garuntee you no mother fucker burns themselves with phosphorus fire to build up an immunity to it. And even if you miss the shot, a flare is a bright mother fucker. Enough to not only alert somebody, but also potentially blind your attacker giving you the chance to run.

The key here is escape.