Worst to Top Star Wars Movie?

 
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>dark tones
>Empire

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why, because he gets his hand sliced off


 
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I always felt that Ewoks taking out fully fledged fighting machine imperials was akin to child fantasy.
But Luci.

Star Wars is a child fantasy.
It's more family friendly, which is why it suddenly hit me why so many people like episode 5 in our age group. It's more mature, it's darker, it's not friendly friends going adventuring against bad guys for fun!

Same reason episode 3 is seen as the only acceptable one within our age group as well. Probably the SAME reason a game like Force Unleashed (I know) is seen as a better story to bridge the gap between 3 and 4 (minus the protag being super OP) than some silly movie.


 
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>dark tones
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PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTtttt

why, because he gets his hand sliced off
A few things if you ask me. People actually dying, allies actually losing, Luke figuring out his father is a ruthless killer, the duel between him and Vader was darker.

I mean, compare it to 4 and 6. You don't have to LIKE the movie (its not my favorite either), but it certainly is more "serious" than 4 was and 6. Well, 6 outside of the Emperor/Luke in his throne room. That was great.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
The chase scene on Corusant went on for like, 15 minutes longer than it should have. A mixture of mediocre CGI and terrible pacing make it hard to remember anything significant that happened outside of anything related to the Clones (because that was the only important part other than Anakin's massacre that wasn't a butchered mess).
The chase scene was only ten minutes and was divided into two distinct sections--let's not be silly here. You don't have to like the scene, but it wasn't too long.

How does CGI affect your ability to remember shit? It wasn't even that bad, certainly not "mediocre"...

And I didn't really think the pacing was bad, either. I dunno.
Are you sure it was only 10 minutes? Because the last time I watched it I ended up  fast forwarding through it because it just dragged on forever. Like, that entire scene is to me what Hoth is to you. It's just not good. The CGI doesn't make the pace bad (that's not what I'm saying lol), the pacing sucking combined with mediocre CGI makes the CGI, which would otherwise be overlooked in a good film, more of a glaring fault. Even before the chase itself, it's just Anakin being angsty and infatuated with Padmé. One of those things that I would always skip if it didn't have relevance  (inside the film, not the series).

And then there's the romance subplot that somehow managed to take up a good chunk of the movie, when it should have been like 5 minutes of continuous romance at MOST. I realize you already agree with that, but holy fuck what was Lucas thinking?

Everything on Geonosis until the Clones show up is just mediocre.


 
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It's more mature, it's darker, it's not friendly friends going adventuring against bad guys for fun!
Like, barely. It has an ending that doesn't leave much hope for the good guys--I think that's just what the second film in a trilogy is supposed to do. I wouldn't go so far to say that it isn't still a family-friendly fairytale.


 
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I feel Lucas got up his own ass with CGI when he got the tech available to him, and forgot the magic of live sets and replacing CGI. It always bothered me in episode 3 how Grevious swung his 4 light sabers like 5 feet from Obi Wan and he never flinches one bit.

That and they walked everywhere. They found out Palpatine was the emperor and instead of running they just... walk like they would any other meeting.


 
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It's more mature, it's darker, it's not friendly friends going adventuring against bad guys for fun!
Like, barely. It has an ending that doesn't leave much hope for the good guys--I think that's just what the second film in a trilogy is supposed to do. I wouldn't go so far to say that it isn't still a family-friendly fairytale.
Not disagreeing with you. I just felt it was slightly darker. Still holds nothing on 3 though.


 
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Are you sure it was only 10 minutes? Because the last time I watched it I ended up  fast forwarding through it because it just dragged on forever. Like, that entire scene is to me what Hoth is to you. It's just not good. The CGI doesn't make the pace bad (that's not what I'm saying lol), the pacing sucking combined with mediocre CGI makes the CGI, which would otherwise be overlooked in a good film, more of a glaring fault. Even before the chase itself, it's just Anakin being angsty and infatuated with Padmé. One of those things that I would always skip if it didn't have relevance  (inside the film, not the series).

And then there's the romance subplot that somehow managed to take up a good chunk of the movie, when it should have been like 5 minutes of continuous romance at MOST. I realize you already agree with that, but holy fuck what was Lucas thinking?

Everything on Geonosis until the Clones show up is just mediocre.
I linked you to the scene there on YouTube, so yeah--the scene is actually less than ten minutes if you actually cut out the part where they finally catch who they're chasing after. Ultimately, the scene just bored you for whatever reason. I didn't think the scene was boring at all--I thought the scenery was brilliant, the banter between Anakin and Obi-Wan as welcome, the death sticks part was funny, and the sound effects were cool as hell. It was just a fun scene all-around.

I still say the CGI was good, though. Oversaturated? Okay, fine. It's George Lucas. But mediocre? Nuh-uh. Especially not for the time. That scene where C-3PO is bumbling around that big foundary? How don't you remember that?

I still don't see how the pacing's bad, either. I realize you don't remember the movie that much, but surely you could come up with some examples...
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Phantom menace was by far the best of the prequels. Y'all niggas act like Darth Maul doesn't exist. Dude was bad fucking ass.

Do you not remember how hard your dick got when he hit the double sided lightsaber for the first time?



Darth Maul and Boba Fett are the most overrated bricks next to Ghost from CoD


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That and they walked everywhere. They found out Palpatine was the emperor and instead of running they just... walk like they would any other meeting.
Nothing will ever piss me off more than the first ten seconds of the Palpatine vs. Windu fight.

Kolar literally just stands there as he get stabbed, Tin is backhanded with a saber swing that anybody could've blocked, and Fisto last a few more seconds, but he still dies like a bitch. I can't understand how they died that easily, it's ridiculous.


 
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Tell me these effects are mediocre.

I fucking love that sound.


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The Clone Wars made Anakin's fall to the dark side about six times more believable, but that doesn't excuse the rapid switch he makes in ROTS.


 
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The Clone Wars made Anakin's fall to the dark side about six times more believable, but that doesn't excuse the rapid switch he makes in ROTS.
you oughta stop talking about shit that's not canon no more, dawg


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Tell me these effects are mediocre.

I fucking love that sound.
They kind of are.

The best CGI in the prequels was Grievous.


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The Clone Wars made Anakin's fall to the dark side about six times more believable, but that doesn't excuse the rapid switch he makes in ROTS.
you oughta stop talking about shit that's not canon no more, dawg
The Clone Wars is canon. It's the only thing from the pre-Disney era that's still canon, as far as I know.


 
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They kind of are.
how

describe the mediocrity

i cannot see it


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The Clone Wars made Anakin's fall to the dark side about six times more believable, but that doesn't excuse the rapid switch he makes in ROTS.
you oughta stop talking about shit that's not canon no more, dawg

The clone wars tv show is canon


 
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The Clone Wars made Anakin's fall to the dark side about six times more believable, but that doesn't excuse the rapid switch he makes in ROTS.
you oughta stop talking about shit that's not canon no more, dawg
The Clone Wars is canon. It's the only thing from the pre-Disney era that's still canon, as far as I know.
i require confirmation


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They kind of are.
how

describe the mediocrity

i cannot see it
The explosion looks very obviously animated by a computer?


 
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The explosion looks very obviously animated by a computer?
So what?


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The Clone Wars made Anakin's fall to the dark side about six times more believable, but that doesn't excuse the rapid switch he makes in ROTS.
you oughta stop talking about shit that's not canon no more, dawg
The Clone Wars is canon. It's the only thing from the pre-Disney era that's still canon, as far as I know.
i require confirmation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon#Disney_acquisition.2C_canon_revision_and_Star_Wars_Legends

On October 30, 2012, Lucasfilm was sold to The Walt Disney Company for $4.05 billion. After the acquisition, Disney and Lucasfilm established Lucasfilm Story Group, a committee whose job is to keep track of and define the "canon" in an effort to unify the films, comics, and other media with the existing canon.

On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm and Disney revised the franchise's canon. They announced that the existing six films and The Clone Wars television series are the "immovable objects" of Star Wars storytelling. Previously published material has been relabeled under a "Legends" label, and future content will present a different vision of people, places and events after Return of the Jedi. They also announced that all future Star Wars stories will be connected and on equal canon level as the films, with guidance coming from the Star Wars story group. Additionally, it was announced that the films of the sequel trilogy will not follow the same story as that of the Expanded Universe works taking place after the events of Return of the Jedi. The first official canon novel in the revised continuity was Star Wars: A New Dawn by John Jackson Miller, which is a prequel novel to Star Wars Rebels. It was released September 2, 2014.


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The explosion looks very obviously animated by a computer?
So what?
Thats why it look mediocre bub.


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The Clone Wars made Anakin's fall to the dark side about six times more believable, but that doesn't excuse the rapid switch he makes in ROTS.
you oughta stop talking about shit that's not canon no more, dawg
The Clone Wars is canon. It's the only thing from the pre-Disney era that's still canon, as far as I know.
i require confirmation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon#Disney_acquisition.2C_canon_revision_and_Star_Wars_Legends

On October 30, 2012, Lucasfilm was sold to The Walt Disney Company for $4.05 billion. After the acquisition, Disney and Lucasfilm established Lucasfilm Story Group, a committee whose job is to keep track of and define the "canon" in an effort to unify the films, comics, and other media with the existing canon.

On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm and Disney revised the franchise's canon. They announced that the existing six films and The Clone Wars television series are the "immovable objects" of Star Wars storytelling. Previously published material has been relabeled under a "Legends" label, and future content will present a different vision of people, places and events after Return of the Jedi. They also announced that all future Star Wars stories will be connected and on equal canon level as the films, with guidance coming from the Star Wars story group. Additionally, it was announced that the films of the sequel trilogy will not follow the same story as that of the Expanded Universe works taking place after the events of Return of the Jedi. The first official canon novel in the revised continuity was Star Wars: A New Dawn by John Jackson Miller, which is a prequel novel to Star Wars Rebels. It was released September 2, 2014.

Oh damn son. His Pineapple is over.


 
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The explosion looks very obviously animated by a computer?
So what?
Thats why it look mediocre bub.
That's retarded, though. All CGI looks like it was obviously animated by a computer. That's kinda unavoidable.

That doesn't make it mediocre.

If you think computers are able to replicate reality perfectly, and you EXPECT that from a film made in, what, 2005? Then you're dumb.


 
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Oh damn son. His Pineapple is over.
because i didn't know something and politely asked of him to provide a source for me?...

okay


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Oh damn son. His Pineapple is over.
because i didn't know something and politely asked of him to provide a source for me?...

okay
Indeed, dawg.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Are you sure it was only 10 minutes? Because the last time I watched it I ended up  fast forwarding through it because it just dragged on forever. Like, that entire scene is to me what Hoth is to you. It's just not good. The CGI doesn't make the pace bad (that's not what I'm saying lol), the pacing sucking combined with mediocre CGI makes the CGI, which would otherwise be overlooked in a good film, more of a glaring fault. Even before the chase itself, it's just Anakin being angsty and infatuated with Padmé. One of those things that I would always skip if it didn't have relevance  (inside the film, not the series).

And then there's the romance subplot that somehow managed to take up a good chunk of the movie, when it should have been like 5 minutes of continuous romance at MOST. I realize you already agree with that, but holy fuck what was Lucas thinking?

Everything on Geonosis until the Clones show up is just mediocre.
I linked you to the scene there on YouTube, so yeah--the scene is actually less than ten minutes if you actually cut out the part where they finally catch who they're chasing after.

I still say the CGI was good, though. Oversaturated? Okay, fine. It's George Lucas. But mediocre? Nuh-uh. Especially not for the time. That scene where C-3PO is bumbling around that big foundary? How don't you remember that?

I still don't see how the pacing's bad, either. I realize you don't remember the movie that much, but surely you could come up with some examples...
I mean, I would consider catching the would-be Assassin to be part of the scene. It's just driving a car for a long time. There's nothing really going on in it-- I just feel like I should be on the edge of my seat instead of trying not to fall asleep.

And that's another thing. If mediocre CGI (which I would say about any movie released at the time) is lightly used, it's great; if it's oversaturated, then it's okay; if it's oversaturated and you have to constantly rewind the movie to remember what just happened (because falling asleep), it's unbearable.

My first example of pacing is the chase scene; even if it's 10 minutes long, the fact that I've watched the movie twice in the past two months and still remember it as being twice that length says something about how stretched out it seems. The romance scenes were just unnecessary, but the scene in the fields lasted way too long even if they really wanted that romance angle. The Droid factory was just a clusterfuck of like three different "Oh no! The hero is in trouble!" sequences where we already knew two out of three would be fine (because they are in the original trilogy), and the third kind of weird how they shot the angles  (seriously, how many times do you think the pot she's in is next in line when it isn't?). I can't say I remember a single Jedi Temple scene, 90% of Obi-Wan's investigating (outside of bits and pieces of Kamino), or the tatooine scene other than Anakin riding through sand, talking to his mother, and then leaving the tent to start killing Sand People (I think that might have been the entire scene, actually).

Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi are hard to watch in some scenes (because they get silly), but Attack of the Clones just reeks of "missed opportunity". You just can't call it Attack of the Clones and then only show (or even talk about) the Clones for such a tiny part of the run-time.
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The Droid factory was just a clusterfuck of like three different "Oh no! The hero is in trouble!" sequences where we already knew two out of three would be fine (because they are in the original trilogy)
This is actually a pretty good point. I can understand how a lot of the tension would be lost, considering you basically already know that everyone who is in peril will survive, because they literally have to. That's a good point, and it's one of the unavoidable flaws of having a set of prequels. There's no real conflict in the sense that all the characters have plot armor.

That's why the prequels tried to be more of a character study, though. Whether or not it did a good job is up to you. I think they did a great job.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
The Droid factory was just a clusterfuck of like three different "Oh no! The hero is in trouble!" sequences where we already knew two out of three would be fine (because they are in the original trilogy)
This is actually a pretty good point. I can understand how a lot of the tension would be lost, considering you basically already know that everyone who is in peril will survive, because they literally have to. That's a good point, and it's one of the unavoidable flaws of having a set of prequels. There's no real conflict in the sense that all the characters have plot armor.

That's why the prequels tried to be more of a character study, though. Whether or not it did a good job is up to you. I think they did a great job.
Phantom Menace was okay if you treat it as Obi-Wan's story. I think the biggest problem was that it didn't have a central antagonist (yeah you see Darth Sidious a few times, but he doesn't really carry anything in terms of the movie), meaning you don't get the kind of tight focus that it really needed. It was much better paced, even if it was layered in cheese and Jar Jar (who was pretty bad comic relief even by SW standards).

I'd rather have a cheesy movie than one that I remember for being forgettable/memorable for a lot of bad things.


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No, I agree with you. Spot on