Why haven't we made submarine aircraft carriers yet?

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Why? We've already mastered the ways of the aircraft carrier and with our ridiculous military budget, it shouldn't be a problem to build. So why hasn't the Pentagon taken the idea seriously? Modern carriers are extremely vulnerable to enemy attack subs, but a submarine aircraft carrier could stealthily pass enemy defenses and make it's way to the enemies' shores and quickly launch aircraft in a surprise attack. So why do we prefer surface carriers over submersible ones?


 
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Could you even have a submarine that big?


 
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Wouldn't it have to turn into a surface carrier to allow aircraft to launch?
That seems like it could potentially be problematic, unless you expect aircraft to suddenly know how to swim.


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Could you even have a submarine that big?
Sure. Just look at the Russian Typhoon.


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It's not a very practical thing. It would have to carry less than our current carriers, cost a ridiculous amount more per unit, and require absurd amounts of pmcs and upkeep.

Besides, it's not like our carriers operate alone without anti-sub support or even on the edge of a naval group. Those things stay pretty central, so you've got a lot of ships and countermeasures to get through to hit one.


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Wouldn't it have to turn into a surface carrier to allow aircraft to launch?
That seems like it could potentially be problematic, unless you expect aircraft to suddenly know how to swim.
They already made jets that can take off across the water.


Unconventional and a waste.


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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
They already made jets that can take off across the water.


Unconventional and a waste.
Seems like it would be.


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Wouldn't it have to turn into a surface carrier to allow aircraft to launch?
That seems like it could potentially be problematic, unless you expect aircraft to suddenly know how to swim.
Not at all. It could be exactly like a ballistic missile submarine where the missiles can fire even when the sub is still submerged. With an aircraft carrier I guess they could put the aircraft in special pods to fire them through the water or something.


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It probably has to do with the process of changing from water to air mode. With the money that would go into it, other people would see that it could better be spent else where than on something that might not even work so well.


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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Not at all. It could be exactly like a ballistic missile submarine where the missiles can fire even when the sub is still submerged. With an aircraft carrier I guess they could put the aircraft in special pods to fire them through the water or something.
That seems excessive.


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That would require some insane engineering to be able to submerse a vehicle of that size. The elevators to bring the craft to the flight deck would also need to be sealed better than they probably can be. I doubt it would be able to dive very far, since the water pressure might be too much for the elevators to handle. I guess there could be retractable doors that go over the elevator to seal it. It is an interesting idea, but it would quite an engineering feat.
It wouldn't need elevators. They could launch the aircraft exactly the same way ballistic missile submarines fir their payloads. Would just need some special pods to protect the aircraft from the water.


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That seems excessive.
Well Noel already explained the difficulties with elevators on a submarine and it's a much better alternative from my point of view.


 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
It wouldn't need elevators. They could launch the aircraft exactly the same way ballistic missile submarines fir their payloads. Would just need some special pods to protect the aircraft from the water.
Again, that seems excessive and unnecessary.
And a complete waste of money.


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It's not a very practical thing. It would have to carry less than our current carriers, cost a ridiculous amount more per unit, and require absurd amounts of pmcs and upkeep.

Besides, it's not like our carriers operate alone without anti-sub support or even on the edge of a naval group. Those things stay pretty central, so you've got a lot of ships and countermeasures to get through to hit one.
True, but a submersible carrier wouldn't need a whole carrier group escorting it since it could stealthily navigate through the waters by itself.


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Aircraft carriers have large indoor hangars beneath the flight deck where craft are stored, and then taken to the deck with large elevators. That is how a vehicle like this would function. They would obviously not leave any aircraft on the flight deck when submerging. They would need retractable doors to seal the elevators, but would not need to cover the entire flight deck.
What he's saying is you still need a flight deck, the purpose of a submarine is complete stealth but something like a flight deck completely destroys that.


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Not many people are stupid enough to attack an American aircraft carrier either.
Except the Japanese >.>

damn ballsy mofos


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Japan did this in WWII: (and I believe Britain had a similar design to protect merchant vessels from German subs, though they ditched the plane after)


http://www.historynet.com/japanese-bomb-the-continental-u-s-west-coast.htm


Granted, it was quite rudimentary, but think of the potential today what with the technological advances since. Unfortunately it's a pipe dream as why launch planes from carriers to recon and bomb things when you have drones and ICBM's to do it for you?


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
True, but a submersible carrier wouldn't need a whole carrier group escorting it since it could stealthily navigate through the waters by itself.
That's a very big target though to send out on it's own. Far too risky.


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The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
They are a completely unrealistic idea, just like the flying one in The Avengers. I am simply discussing how one would function as both a submarine and an aircraft carrier. It is basically impossible, just fun to discuss.


But it is possible. Not entirely effective (and not in the same way Sentra has described), but it's already been done.


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