Why free will probably does not exist, and why we shouldn't act like it does.

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Influenced by the external world does not equal made by the external world
No, but it's a mix between influence and settings in your brain. If you're a logical person, chances are you're gonna look at the facts rather than the way someone speaks.


 
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lmao

How far you go out of your way to get riled up on the Internet and try to make others angry is just hilarious.

Are you planning on giving me another bullshit apology or do you really really mean it this time? I feel bad in advance for any girlfriend you might have. Grow up already.
hey sorry for being rude man :)

lay off the alcohol though, it makes you say dumb shit


 
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Care to explain?
Explain what, Christian?

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It is. I have the free will to do whatever the fuck I want to do. Everybody does.
nah

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I think you need to step back and look at just how much of a cult/religion anti natalism is.
no god, no dogma, no system of beliefs that must be followed except for logic/value math

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yes, which is insane, and not part of the philosophy of determinism
It seems to be.
i'm telling you that it isn't

SOME determinists may very well be religious, but i'm not

what reason would i have to bullshit about this

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So why are you pushing this idea of "hard determinism"? Are you all of a sudden amoral?
i'm not amoral because even though everything is predetermined, we still experience life as though we had free will, and we can suffer intensely

it's because we suffer intensely that i'm not amoral

if we couldn't feel, or if feeling didn't matter, then yeah, i'd be a straight-up nihilist


 
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Religion need not have a god or scripture. You do however follow a rigid set of beliefs on humanity, which is almost cult like.
but it's not a religion

the more you say it is, the more obvious it becomes that you don't know the first thing about religion

i know a couple theologians--maybe i'll show them some of your statements so that they can have a good laugh

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You aren't really making an argument, it's just you saying "no" to my "yes".
because i know more about my own beliefs than you do

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As in determinism has religious tendencies, it's religious like in nature.
like what

nothing

because it's nowhere near religion

it's one simple belief

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So we have free will.
nope

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But how can you hold someone accountable if everything is "determined"?

Under this philosophy, if I shoot a baby, it would be wrong to hold me accountable. I had no choice in the matter. I was always going to shoot that baby.
i already addressed this retarded baby-like point in a previous post

and yes, you really do have a baby-like understanding of this subject, that's not even an insult

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But how can you justify this simply because we can suffer?
because suffering is bad

it's that simple


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Fucking idiot, chally.  IDIOT

HOW CAN YOU TWO NOT GET THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT SHIT FUCK


 
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It's religious in nature. You can be in denial all you want, but the fact is it's like a cult.
"like" a cult doesn't mean it is a cult

or a religion

it literally doesn't matter what you think it's like
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You should be able to defend them pretty easily then.
good thing that's what i'm doing, with no effort

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Which says everything is determined.
yes, little boy, that is correct

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Unfortunately that isn't an argument. You can't incarcerate someone who had no choice in the matter.
unfortunately it is an argument, and you can

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Is it? How does it even matter? There's no choice in anything.
negative sensation is still negative

it still hurts to feel pain

we can't stop it because everything is determined, but we can still pretend

and that's all we're doing

pretending that we're doing something

you're saying that we shouldn't pretend--why? that's retarded


 
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It does though, because I'm smarter than you. It's a cult like mentality.
LMAO

there are people who are genuinely smarter than me on this forum

you are not even CLOSE to being one of them

you're not even smart
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Then you admit I'm right.
nope

everything is determined--this has nothing to do with religion, and only a slack-jawed retard would think it does

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Really? Why? He had no choice. Why are you causing extra suffering by imprisoning someone who was always going to commit that crime?
because if we don't, they're going to create more suffering for other people who don't have any control over their actions

DURRRR
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So playing pretend is better than facing reality that (even bough this doesn't exist) everything is determined.
playing pretend IS facing reality

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You don't even accept the bullshit you believe. That's how fucked in the head you are.
playing pretend IS accepting it

it's taking as much responsibility as you can

you're basically saying it's okay to continue letting bad people do bad things just because it's not their fault

okay, evil crazy religious cunt person


 
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Determinism is stupid because it's basically saying we do nothing but follow instinct, or like we're a programmed robot.

The fact is we can resist our instincts. End of discussion. I brought this up in Discord and you had no rebuttal.
I had a rebuttal, I just don't really know how to put it in words. I still don't.

I'd like to scale it back a bit and say we follow more than just "instinct," because that's probably an over-simplification. We follow outside influence. External factors cause us to think and behave in deterministic ways. That's the best way I can articulate it right now.


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uhhh...

- korrie
hm, really makes you think


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the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
hm, really makes the synapses in your brain fire off in ways they were always going to based on brain chemistry thereby giving the impression that one is actively pondering this subject when every thought was actually predetermined by the laws of physics

Fixed.


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uhhh...

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hm, really makes the synapses in your brain fire off in ways they were always going to based on brain chemistry thereby giving the impression that one is actively pondering this subject when every thought was actually predetermined by the laws of physics

Fixed.


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hm, really makes the synapses in your brain fire off in ways they were always going to based on brain chemistry thereby giving the impression that one is actively pondering this subject when every thought was actually predetermined by the laws of physics
Way too tryhard and failing to understand the philosophy. I take it you're not on board the hard deterministic approach?


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the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
hm, really makes the synapses in your brain fire off in ways they were always going to based on brain chemistry thereby giving the impression that one is actively pondering this subject when every thought was actually predetermined by the laws of physics
Way too tryhard and failing to understand the philosophy. I take it you're not on board the hard deterministic approach?

I guess not. It's not something I've ever considered since it's not something worth considering. My life will continue as is regardless of whether I have free will or just imagine I have free will.


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hm, really makes the synapses in your brain fire off in ways they were always going to based on brain chemistry thereby giving the impression that one is actively pondering this subject when every thought was actually predetermined by the laws of physics
Way too tryhard and failing to understand the philosophy. I take it you're not on board the hard deterministic approach?
I guess not. It's not something I've ever considered since it's not something worth considering. My life will continue as is regardless of whether I have free will or just imagine I have free will.
You're a simple man


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its a scary idea that one day we could program ai that could be more intuitive and creative than us

to think about music and art as a result of a sequence of biological events that could end up with so intricate and comprehensive is weird


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