In depth analysis of the opening scene of TDKR

Mordo · February 24, 2015, 08:14:59 PM

It took me years but I think I've finally grasped Nolan's genius. You see, the plane scene is all symbolism, it represents the battle between the forces of heaven and Hell. Bane is a synonym for adversary, and guess who's name translates to The Adversary?

When CIA brought Dr. Pavel, he was trying to get him to heaven, or "on board." When Mosquito Man brought the other members, CIA (obviously representing St Peter) initially refused them, but Mosquito Man reminded him that he has a duty to redeem them, stating they work for Bane (Satan).

When CIA says "first one to talk gets to stay on my aircraft" he's actually trying to get them to repent their sins, and "lotta loyalty for a hired gun" refers to the fact that Satan only considers them to be puppets, not real people (as further demonstrated when Bane leaves one behind).

The symbolism continues. Bane says it doesn't matter who he is, which is obviously a reference that evil is evil, regardless of the man behind it. Bane's reliance on his mask is a symbol of his eternal curse for his desertion, as it would be extremely painful if he had to face up to what he did, though Bane is quick to remind CIA that he isn't a big guy compared to those such as Michael.

The "Plane crash" and Dr Pavel being snatched are symbolic of Dr. Pavel deciding to give in to temptation and join the league of shadows.

It truly is poetry. I've only scratched the surface of Nolan's masterpiece.

Solonoid · February 24, 2015, 08:32:31 PM

No, it's meant to foreshadow that Bane is a surrogate evil, and that the true evildoing would transpire regardless of who was wearing the mask, because he's not actually the main villain.

Also, your understanding of the scene is flawed in general, as you are under the popular impression that Bane was reminding CIA that he was a big guy "for him."

The intended result was for bane to say "It would be extremely painful, for you." but CIA interrupted him, showing that CIA was too eager and obscuring his own view of events, which was the ultimate downfall of him.

This is also foreshadowing to when Batman eagerly confronts Bane somewhere where he must play by Bane's rules, just as CIA had, and teaches the ultimate moral lesson that you cannot be just if you are too eager to hand out punishment.

Turkey · February 24, 2015, 08:34:37 PM

Bane's not the real villain, though.

Mordo · February 25, 2015, 11:16:41 AM

Quote from: Soʟᴀᴄᴇ Rɪsɪɴɢ on February 24, 2015, 08:32:31 PM

No, it's meant to foreshadow that Bane is a surrogate evil, and that the true evildoing would transpire regardless of who was wearing the mask, because he's not actually the main villain.

Also, your understanding of the scene is flawed in general, as you are under the popular impression that Bane was reminding CIA that he was a big guy "for him."

The intended result was for bane to say "It would be extremely painful, for you." but CIA interrupted him, showing that CIA was too eager and obscuring his own view of events, which was the ultimate downfall of him.

This is also foreshadowing to when Batman eagerly confronts Bane somewhere where he must play by Bane's rules, just as CIA had, and teaches the ultimate moral lesson that you cannot be just if you are too eager to hand out punishment.

No it's not you fucking hothead.

Doctor Doom · February 25, 2015, 11:18:58 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 24, 2015, 08:34:37 PM

Bane's not the real villain, though.

It was you all along!

Girl of Mystery · February 25, 2015, 11:21:56 AM

BRAAAVO NOLAN I LOVE YOU!

aREALgod · February 25, 2015, 11:25:39 AM

BRAVO

NOLAN

Oh, wrong movie

Mordo · February 25, 2015, 11:32:08 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on February 25, 2015, 11:25:39 AM

BRAVO

NOLAN

Oh, wrong movie

The black hole represents Nolan's genius; untapped and infinite beyond scope.