This is why we own concealed weapons

i am karjala takaisin · May 04, 2015, 12:29:41 PM

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challengerX · May 04, 2015, 12:30:51 PM

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i am karjala takaisin · May 04, 2015, 12:34:07 PM

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Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:19:59 PM
I also like how my threads somehow become master debating central.
it was at this moment that naru realized he had become

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You think this is a game?
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Sandtrap · May 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM

Dis thread doe. Here's a simple solution Nick. Don't take their guns away. You can't change anything so there's really no point in making a fuss over it. Since the very formation of the country there was a rule set in place regarding guns. All citizens have the right to bear arms.

It's an outdated rule in these days because the law was originally made in regards to citizens being able to have some measure of power over a government if the citizens disagreed and a shitty government formed. This was back in the days when guns were essentially new on the block.

Now, with today's standards, society has changed and the old law has no real merit in terms of its original purpose. Not a chance in hell american civilians would stand a chance against the government because things are moving closer and closer towards a police state. And at this point, who can blame them?

Look at all the violence. Guns are ingrained into american culture as a staple way of doing things. You can't change that now mainly because of how deep of a hole there is in regards to violent crime. Every country has their ups and downs and like it or no, you can't really change that these days unless you knocked the entire country down and started over.

There's lots of violence because there's a lot of tools for violence. There's lots of people out there who, obviously, weren't raised decently so the only option you have is to defend yourself when trouble shows up. The police, in turn, who are an organization of people who face the worst, ugliest aspects of humanity every day, are tense for a reason.

If they weren't, they'd be insane.

As such. Grab a chair, sit down in a quieter part of the world, and watch the fireworks. It's none of our business nor is it our concern. Nor can it be changed or altered. All you can do is let things run their course.

So what if the USA has some gun troubles? Mexico has the cartels and corruption. South america, down in Brazil and such, the government is corrupt as shit. Russia is full of xenophobes. The east is going through their version of the crusades. The UK is all wobbly and shifty, and being flooded with folks from the east. Africa is Africa. Canada is selling all of it's own natural rescources and leaving no backup.

Every place on the planet has something. Take your pick and roll with it.

Sprungli · May 04, 2015, 12:40:15 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:19:23 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Because cars are apparently worth more than human lives. Okay then...
They're worth more than a burglar's life.

http://www.humanforsale.com

Go on. Unless the car was a premium hypercar I doubt your statement is at all true. I'm worth two mil, surely a burglar is worth at least $100,000

Naru · May 04, 2015, 12:51:30 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:40:15 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Because cars are apparently worth more than human lives. Okay then...
They're worth more than a burglar's life.
http://www.humanforsale.com

Go on. Unless the car was a premium hypercar I doubt your statement is at all true. I'm worth two mil, surely a burglar is worth at least $100,000

The burglar is scum, he's worth almost nothing if he wants to steal a car from a defenseless woman.

aREALgod · May 04, 2015, 01:06:40 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM

Dis thread doe. Here's a simple solution Nick. Don't take their guns away. You can't change anything so there's really no point in making a fuss over it. Since the very formation of the country there was a rule set in place regarding guns. All citizens have the right to bear arms.

It's an outdated rule in these days because the law was originally made in regards to citizens being able to have some measure of power over a government if the citizens disagreed and a shitty government formed. This was back in the days when guns were essentially new on the block.

Now, with today's standards, society has changed and the old law has no real merit in terms of its original purpose. Not a chance in hell american civilians would stand a chance against the government because things are moving closer and closer towards a police state. And at this point, who can blame them?

Look at all the violence. Guns are ingrained into american culture as a staple way of doing things. You can't change that now mainly because of how deep of a hole there is in regards to violent crime. Every country has their ups and downs and like it or no, you can't really change that these days unless you knocked the entire country down and started over.

There's lots of violence because there's a lot of tools for violence. There's lots of people out there who, obviously, weren't raised decently so the only option you have is to defend yourself when trouble shows up. The police, in turn, who are an organization of people who face the worst, ugliest aspects of humanity every day, are tense for a reason.

If they weren't, they'd be insane.

As such. Grab a chair, sit down in a quieter part of the world, and watch the fireworks. It's none of our business nor is it our concern. Nor can it be changed or altered. All you can do is let things run their course.

So what if the USA has some gun troubles? Mexico has the cartels and corruption. South america, down in Brazil and such, the government is corrupt as shit. Russia is full of xenophobes. The east is going through their version of the crusades. The UK is all wobbly and shifty, and being flooded with folks from the east. Africa is Africa. Canada is selling all of it's own natural rescources and leaving no backup.

Every place on the planet has something. Take your pick and roll with it.

Guns as a right will always be applicable, especially in defense of an encroaching state. An armed populace is much harder to subjugate that an unarmed one, and to argue otherwise is complete ignorance.

Sandtrap · May 04, 2015, 01:29:44 PM

Quote from: ////\\\\ on May 04, 2015, 01:06:40 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM
Dis thread doe. Here's a simple solution Nick. Don't take their guns away. You can't change anything so there's really no point in making a fuss over it. Since the very formation of the country there was a rule set in place regarding guns. All citizens have the right to bear arms.

It's an outdated rule in these days because the law was originally made in regards to citizens being able to have some measure of power over a government if the citizens disagreed and a shitty government formed. This was back in the days when guns were essentially new on the block.

Now, with today's standards, society has changed and the old law has no real merit in terms of its original purpose. Not a chance in hell american civilians would stand a chance against the government because things are moving closer and closer towards a police state. And at this point, who can blame them?

Look at all the violence. Guns are ingrained into american culture as a staple way of doing things. You can't change that now mainly because of how deep of a hole there is in regards to violent crime. Every country has their ups and downs and like it or no, you can't really change that these days unless you knocked the entire country down and started over.

There's lots of violence because there's a lot of tools for violence. There's lots of people out there who, obviously, weren't raised decently so the only option you have is to defend yourself when trouble shows up. The police, in turn, who are an organization of people who face the worst, ugliest aspects of humanity every day, are tense for a reason.

If they weren't, they'd be insane.

As such. Grab a chair, sit down in a quieter part of the world, and watch the fireworks. It's none of our business nor is it our concern. Nor can it be changed or altered. All you can do is let things run their course.

So what if the USA has some gun troubles? Mexico has the cartels and corruption. South america, down in Brazil and such, the government is corrupt as shit. Russia is full of xenophobes. The east is going through their version of the crusades. The UK is all wobbly and shifty, and being flooded with folks from the east. Africa is Africa. Canada is selling all of it's own natural rescources and leaving no backup.

Every place on the planet has something. Take your pick and roll with it.

Guns as a right will always be applicable, especially in defense of an encroaching state. An armed populace is much harder to subjugate that an unarmed one, and to argue otherwise is complete ignorance.

But you can't ignore the flipside. An armed populace, especially one that is argueably going down the drain in certain pockets from a societal standpoint, an armed populace will kill itself from the inside out. When shit really hits the fan, and there are that many weapons about.

It will be a mess. And it has a greater capacity to turn into a mess.

The problem with guns, is that they are tools. You give a tool to somebody who deosn't understand, who doesn't respect it, and they'll be fucking stupid with it. They'll abuse it. All in all I'm not really saying it's the guns themselves that are the problem. You can have a country swimming in guns and that'd be fine, IF, people didn't abuse them.

It's the people, that are the problem. Angry and stressed? Take a gun and go shoot somebody. Getting into a heated argument? Take a gun and shoot somebody.

Guns are tools and they give people a sense of security and power. An easily fallen back to tool when you have nothing else left at your disposal.

It truly does come down to the people. Not the guns themselves.

eggsalad · May 04, 2015, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:51:30 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:40:15 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Because cars are apparently worth more than human lives. Okay then...
They're worth more than a burglar's life.
http://www.humanforsale.com

Go on. Unless the car was a premium hypercar I doubt your statement is at all true. I'm worth two mil, surely a burglar is worth at least $100,000
The burglar is scum, he's worth almost nothing if he wants to steal a car from a defenseless woman.

At what point can we say a crime forfeits someone's life? If I stole someone's iPhone should the respective punishment be losing my hand? No, that's what uneducated bush people in Nairobi think, and we call them savages for a reason.

Sandtrap · May 04, 2015, 02:00:24 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on May 04, 2015, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:40:15 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Because cars are apparently worth more than human lives. Okay then...
They're worth more than a burglar's life.
http://www.humanforsale.com

Go on. Unless the car was a premium hypercar I doubt your statement is at all true. I'm worth two mil, surely a burglar is worth at least $100,000
The burglar is scum, he's worth almost nothing if he wants to steal a car from a defenseless woman.
At what point can we say a crime forfeits someone's life? If I stole someone's iPhone should the respective punishment be losing my hand? No, that's what uneducated bush people in Nairobi think, and we call them savages for a reason.

To be fair after you got your hand lobbed off you might reconsider stealing things. You've only got one chance after that. You either become damn good at stealing and not getting caught or you quit.

eggsalad · May 04, 2015, 02:06:56 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:00:24 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on May 04, 2015, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:40:15 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Because cars are apparently worth more than human lives. Okay then...
They're worth more than a burglar's life.
http://www.humanforsale.com

Go on. Unless the car was a premium hypercar I doubt your statement is at all true. I'm worth two mil, surely a burglar is worth at least $100,000
The burglar is scum, he's worth almost nothing if he wants to steal a car from a defenseless woman.
At what point can we say a crime forfeits someone's life? If I stole someone's iPhone should the respective punishment be losing my hand? No, that's what uneducated bush people in Nairobi think, and we call them savages for a reason.

To be fair after you got your hand lobbed off you might reconsider stealing things. You've only got one chance after that. You either become damn good at stealing and not getting caught or you quit.

it also reduces the persons ability to become a productive individual and puts a burden on his family

Chakas · May 05, 2015, 07:53:13 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on May 04, 2015, 11:45:44 AM

Quote from: Chakas on May 04, 2015, 11:44:49 AM
I find these arguments amusing. So much rage that often times doesn't even make any sense.
I love how being pro gun-control means I hate the US.

Are you referring to me saying that? Because I'm pretty sure I didn't.

Sandtrap · May 05, 2015, 07:58:44 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on May 04, 2015, 02:06:56 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: eggsalad on May 04, 2015, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:40:15 PM

Quote from: AstroNaru on May 04, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on May 04, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Because cars are apparently worth more than human lives. Okay then...
They're worth more than a burglar's life.
http://www.humanforsale.com

Go on. Unless the car was a premium hypercar I doubt your statement is at all true. I'm worth two mil, surely a burglar is worth at least $100,000
The burglar is scum, he's worth almost nothing if he wants to steal a car from a defenseless woman.
At what point can we say a crime forfeits someone's life? If I stole someone's iPhone should the respective punishment be losing my hand? No, that's what uneducated bush people in Nairobi think, and we call them savages for a reason.

To be fair after you got your hand lobbed off you might reconsider stealing things. You've only got one chance after that. You either become damn good at stealing and not getting caught or you quit.
it also reduces the persons ability to become a productive individual and puts a burden on his family

Then you could say at that point, he should have thought about that before dong stupid shit. Obviously he's not giving a shit about being a productive individual since he's stealing in the first place, and he doesn't give a shit about his family because when he gets caught his family will be associated with a thief.