Who is the most despicable villain in ASOIAF?

Big Boss · June 29, 2015, 07:20:49 PM

A lot of people think Ramsay is the worst but personally I thought Joffrey was worse. Sure Ramsay did some fucked up shit but he wasn't in any real state of power. Joffrey was the king of Westeros and he caused so much shit.

Solonoid · June 29, 2015, 07:21:14 PM

George RR Martin.

Dopameme · June 29, 2015, 07:21:33 PM

jon snow

big sponge · June 29, 2015, 07:26:40 PM

Squealer

Mr. Psychologist · June 29, 2015, 07:45:07 PM

For the show it's the donkey faced terminator from tarth, for the books it's pretty hard to beat how nasty joffrey was.

Azumarill · June 29, 2015, 07:55:39 PM

the good masters of astapor

the bloody mummers

tywin lannister

A Cheese Potato · June 29, 2015, 08:11:55 PM

Ser Twenty Goodmen

Big Boss · June 29, 2015, 08:12:11 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on June 29, 2015, 07:45:07 PM

For the show it's the donkey faced terminator from tarth, for the books it's pretty hard to beat how nasty joffrey was.

I can imagine Brienne being a cyborg from the future

'Come with me if you want to plot'

Zizzy · June 29, 2015, 08:18:28 PM

Oh, the Mountain EASILY. Joffrey seemed like someone who just enjoyed having power over others, and did fucked up shit because he could. A lot (all?) of what Ramsay did was for a purpose... be it breaking Reek down to make him his pet or sending a message to his other men/ captives when they misbehaved.
The mountain though... he's different. He lives off of performing downright evil, sadistic acts on other people. And he has strength such that literally no man can stop him. He smashed Elia Martell's baby against a wall, and then raped her with his hands still covered in its brains. If that's not the most fucked up thing you've ever heard then what is?
And Vargo Hoat - the scumbag idiot who cut off Jaime's hand and pretty much ruined his life- was caught and tortured by The Mountain. No one has more reason to hate Hoat than Jaime Lannister, but he felt sick after he heard what Clegane had done to him.
Let's not forget the whole "burning his little brother's face in a fire" thing either. Or the gang raping a thirteen year old girl (seriously, he's fucking 8ft tall.... wtf)

Zizzy · June 29, 2015, 08:19:47 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on June 29, 2015, 07:55:39 PM

tywin lannister

I think Tywin's pretty admirable actually. Or maybe it's just Charles Dance.

Azumarill · June 29, 2015, 08:20:27 PM

Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:18:28 PM

Oh, the Mountain EASILY. Joffrey seemed like someone who just enjoyed having power over others, and did fucked up shit because he could. A lot (all?) of what Ramsay did was for a purpose... be it breaking Reek down to make him his pet or sending a message to his other men/ captives when they misbehaved.
The mountain though... he's different. He lives off of performing downright evil, sadistic acts on other people. And he has strength such that literally no man can stop him. He smashed Elia Martell's baby against a wall, and then raped her with his hands still covered in its brains. If that's not the most fucked up thing you've ever heard then what is?
And Vargo Hoat - the scumbag idiot who cut off Jaime's hand and pretty much ruined his life- was caught and tortured by The Mountain. No one has more reason to hate Hoat than Jaime Lannister, but he felt sick after he heard what Clegane had done to him.
Let's not forget the whole "burning his little brother's face in a fire" thing either. Or the gang raping a thirteen year old girl (seriously, he's fucking 8ft tall.... wtf)

not unstoppable, oberyn had him in the palm of his hands. easiest fight ever, but oberyn just happened to get super emotional and started monologueing. he was a real filthy fucker though, really deserves a spot in the top villains

Big Boss · June 29, 2015, 08:22:24 PM

Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:18:28 PM

Oh, the Mountain EASILY. Joffrey seemed like someone who just enjoyed having power over others, and did fucked up shit because he could. A lot (all?) of what Ramsay did was for a purpose... be it breaking Reek down to make him his pet or sending a message to his other men/ captives when they misbehaved.
The mountain though... he's different. He lives off of performing downright evil, sadistic acts on other people. And he has strength such that literally no man can stop him. He smashed Elia Martell's baby against a wall, and then raped her with his hands still covered in its brains. If that's not the most fucked up thing you've ever heard then what is?
And Vargo Hoat - the scumbag idiot who cut off Jaime's hand and pretty much ruined his life- was caught and tortured by The Mountain. No one has more reason to hate Hoat than Jaime Lannister, but he felt sick after he heard what Clegane had done to him.
Let's not forget the whole "burning his little brother's face in a fire" thing either. Or the gang raping a thirteen year old girl (seriously, he's fucking 8ft tall.... wtf)

What did Gregor do to Hoat? Refresh my memory

Azumarill · June 29, 2015, 08:23:10 PM

Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:19:47 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on June 29, 2015, 07:55:39 PM
tywin lannister
I think Tywin's pretty admirable actually. Or maybe it's just Charles Dance.

charles dance did an incredible job on that show, but when it comes down to it, tywin is a ruthless, calculating, cold hearted, pragmatic man, who only cares for his family status- to a horrible extreme. he was responsible for letting gregor loose on the riverlands, the red wedding, fucking his kids mentalities beyond belief, the list goes on... he deserved to die by tyrions hand.

Azumarill · June 29, 2015, 08:24:01 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on June 29, 2015, 08:22:24 PM

Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
Oh, the Mountain EASILY. Joffrey seemed like someone who just enjoyed having power over others, and did fucked up shit because he could. A lot (all?) of what Ramsay did was for a purpose... be it breaking Reek down to make him his pet or sending a message to his other men/ captives when they misbehaved.
The mountain though... he's different. He lives off of performing downright evil, sadistic acts on other people. And he has strength such that literally no man can stop him. He smashed Elia Martell's baby against a wall, and then raped her with his hands still covered in its brains. If that's not the most fucked up thing you've ever heard then what is?
And Vargo Hoat - the scumbag idiot who cut off Jaime's hand and pretty much ruined his life- was caught and tortured by The Mountain. No one has more reason to hate Hoat than Jaime Lannister, but he felt sick after he heard what Clegane had done to him.
Let's not forget the whole "burning his little brother's face in a fire" thing either. Or the gang raping a thirteen year old girl (seriously, he's fucking 8ft tall.... wtf)
What did Gregor do to Hoat? Refresh my memory

"The remaining Brave Companions are killed, with the exception of Vargo, for whom the Mountain has different plans. In a mockery of Vargo's preferred way of torturing his prisoners, Ser Gregor cuts off Vargo's limbs piece by piece over an extended period of time while he has the wounds bandaged so that Vargo stays alive. Vargo first loses his hands and feet, then his arms and legs. The extremities as well as other parts of Vargo's body are then fed as "roast goat" to northern prisoners that Ser Gregor has brought to Harrenhal, including Ser Wylis Manderly, as well as to Vargo himself.

Jaime returns to King's Landing and informs Lord Tywin that Vargo's men are responsible for cutting off his sword hand. His disgusted father tells him about the Mountain's taking of Harrenhal and Vargo's fate, including that Ser Gregor is still keeping Vargo alive because he finds his slobbering amusing. Jaime thinks it's funny that Brienne's bite did Vargo in, but suspects Brienne won't share his perspective on this."

Zizzy · June 29, 2015, 08:34:10 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on June 29, 2015, 08:20:27 PM

not unstoppable, oberyn had him in the palm of his hands. easiest fight ever, but oberyn just happened to get super emotional and started monologueing.

I meant sort of physically unstoppable. like in an unarmed situation nobody (bar maybe the hound and a few other exceptions) can really do shit to touch Gregor.

DAS B00T x2 · June 29, 2015, 08:38:03 PM

Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:18:28 PM

Oh, the Mountain EASILY. Joffrey seemed like someone who just enjoyed having power over others, and did fucked up shit because he could. A lot (all?) of what Ramsay did was for a purpose... be it breaking Reek down to make him his pet or sending a message to his other men/ captives when they misbehaved.
The mountain though... he's different. He lives off of performing downright evil, sadistic acts on other people. And he has strength such that literally no man can stop him. He smashed Elia Martell's baby against a wall, and then raped her with his hands still covered in its brains. If that's not the most fucked up thing you've ever heard then what is?
And Vargo Hoat - the scumbag idiot who cut off Jaime's hand and pretty much ruined his life- was caught and tortured by The Mountain. No one has more reason to hate Hoat than Jaime Lannister, but he felt sick after he heard what Clegane had done to him.
Let's not forget the whole "burning his little brother's face in a fire" thing either. Or the gang raping a thirteen year old girl (seriously, he's fucking 8ft tall.... wtf)

This Mountain fellow sounds like a jolly good ol' chap.

Cindy · June 29, 2015, 08:39:17 PM

If we're talking books, then probably Gregor Clegane. If we're talking show, then easily Ramsay Bolton. If both, then still Ramsay Bolton.

Joffrey was a terrible person, sure, but he was a manchild. He liked causing pain because it made him feel good but he didn't really know or care why. Tormeny Sansa, butcher a nun, shoot a prostitute, eh, whatever. Ramsay's worse because he knows exactly what he's doing and he revels in the emotional torment he gives more than the physical torment.

He's way better at what he does.

Zizzy · June 29, 2015, 08:40:02 PM

Quote from: WAIFU MASTER II on June 29, 2015, 08:38:03 PM

Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
Oh, the Mountain EASILY. Joffrey seemed like someone who just enjoyed having power over others, and did fucked up shit because he could. A lot (all?) of what Ramsay did was for a purpose... be it breaking Reek down to make him his pet or sending a message to his other men/ captives when they misbehaved.
The mountain though... he's different. He lives off of performing downright evil, sadistic acts on other people. And he has strength such that literally no man can stop him. He smashed Elia Martell's baby against a wall, and then raped her with his hands still covered in its brains. If that's not the most fucked up thing you've ever heard then what is?
And Vargo Hoat - the scumbag idiot who cut off Jaime's hand and pretty much ruined his life- was caught and tortured by The Mountain. No one has more reason to hate Hoat than Jaime Lannister, but he felt sick after he heard what Clegane had done to him.
Let's not forget the whole "burning his little brother's face in a fire" thing either. Or the gang raping a thirteen year old girl (seriously, he's fucking 8ft tall.... wtf)
This Mountain fellow sounds like a jolly good ol' chap.

Jolly is the exact word... he's like Santa

Spoiler

DAS B00T x2 · June 29, 2015, 08:48:34 PM

Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:40:02 PM

Quote from: WAIFU MASTER II on June 29, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: Zizzy on June 29, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
Oh, the Mountain EASILY. Joffrey seemed like someone who just enjoyed having power over others, and did fucked up shit because he could. A lot (all?) of what Ramsay did was for a purpose... be it breaking Reek down to make him his pet or sending a message to his other men/ captives when they misbehaved.
The mountain though... he's different. He lives off of performing downright evil, sadistic acts on other people. And he has strength such that literally no man can stop him. He smashed Elia Martell's baby against a wall, and then raped her with his hands still covered in its brains. If that's not the most fucked up thing you've ever heard then what is?
And Vargo Hoat - the scumbag idiot who cut off Jaime's hand and pretty much ruined his life- was caught and tortured by The Mountain. No one has more reason to hate Hoat than Jaime Lannister, but he felt sick after he heard what Clegane had done to him.
Let's not forget the whole "burning his little brother's face in a fire" thing either. Or the gang raping a thirteen year old girl (seriously, he's fucking 8ft tall.... wtf)
This Mountain fellow sounds like a jolly good ol' chap.
Jolly is the exact word... he's like Santa
Spoiler

Righteous. Would go drinking with.

Turkey · June 29, 2015, 08:57:47 PM

Moonboy is the true master of the game.

Elai · June 29, 2015, 09:33:57 PM

Its hard to pin-point because the characters dance around evil. Jaime used to be hated but now he's one of the coolest characters.

Korra · June 29, 2015, 09:34:53 PM

Dr. Doom

Mordo · June 29, 2015, 09:37:32 PM

According to the showrunners it's Stannis.

Risay117 · June 29, 2015, 10:04:21 PM

Mountain. But Joffrey is also nasty.

Roose i feel may be worse than Ramsey

maverick · June 29, 2015, 10:14:41 PM

Cersei is probably the most hypocritical, self-righteous character in the series while simultaneously being an evil sociopathic bitch.

Spoiler

It is for these reasons, among others, that she is one of my favorite characters lol.

Comet · June 29, 2015, 10:21:48 PM

kinda surprised no one has mentioned the Mad King.

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Azumarill · June 29, 2015, 10:56:17 PM

Quote from: Comet on June 29, 2015, 10:21:48 PM

kinda surprised no one has mentioned the Mad King.

well he's dead for almost 2 decades at the start of the series, so he isnt really in the running, otherwise we'd have TONS of potential villains from the history of planetos who were way worse than anyone in the story itself