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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
Are you hooting and hollering?


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
Are you hooting and hollering?
there were slapped knees, shattered sides, and maybe a little bit of urine


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You are what you love, not who loves you.
Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
>there should be no suffering
>pleasure is pointless

either pick one or admit to being a nihilist


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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.

a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.

the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure.

so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.

a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.

the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure.

so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.
We specifically included sex though, and not just masturbation. And "giving a shit about your health" is pretty far from pointless.


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.

a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.

the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure.

so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.
We specifically included sex though, and not just masturbation. And "giving a shit about your health" is pretty far from pointless.

i would say sex doesnt really serve much of a purpose either if youre against child birth

i dont really care if you want to take care of your body, but if someone doesnt give a shit about living then health benefits are pointless.


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.

a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.

the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure.

so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.
We specifically included sex though, and not just masturbation. And "giving a shit about your health" is pretty far from pointless.

i would say sex doesnt really serve much of a purpose either if youre against child birth

i dont really care if you want to take care of your body, but if someone doesnt give a shit about living then health benefits are pointless.
Maybe not to the individual who doesn't give a shit about living, but being apathetic about your health can have detrimental effects to those around you. Medical bills, having to care for them at a certain point, emotional pain, etc.


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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.

a lot of the time masturbating is tied to watching porn, and watching porn can have a detrimental affect on your relatioships.

the philisophy doesnt account for pleasure whatsoever, because pleasure is a completely separate beast; the two aren't connected. avoiding suffering doesn't mean seeking pleasure.

so if you believe all this AND don't give a shit about your health, masturbation IS pointless.
We specifically included sex though, and not just masturbation. And "giving a shit about your health" is pretty far from pointless.

i would say sex doesnt really serve much of a purpose either if youre against child birth

i dont really care if you want to take care of your body, but if someone doesnt give a shit about living then health benefits are pointless.
I'd say sex can serve a pretty substantial purpose for relationships and (like masturbation) for general health. And I think that even most nihilists or antinatalists (who seem to be pretty against suffering) would also care their about their health, at least to the extent that it doesn't end up causing suffering to yourself and those around you.

I also don't understand the direction this is going in. Depending on whose point of view we're talking about, literally anything can be pointless, making this entire conversation moot from the start. Having sex is a great stress reliever, facilitates bonding, improves (most) relationships and has a lot of medical benefits to it. There's a myriad of benefits to doing these things which make them have a point to myself and the vast majority of people. In my opinion, that makes it not pointless by a reasonable standard. Whether everyone here agrees, I really don't care about.


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.
benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantities

masturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficient

and i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourse


 
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There's a myriad of benefits to doing these things
that are not exclusive to doing those things

you're intentionally grabbing the short end of the stick, is my point


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.
benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantities

masturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficient

and i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourse
You are welcome to substantiate the same benefits you'll get elsewhere with the same amount of effort. I'm particularly interested in things like improving your immune system, lowering the chance of prostate cancer, ridding yourself of disease-causing toxins building up in your urinary tract, reducing the risk of erectile dysfunction, improving the quality of sperm, relieving tension, helping people sleep and so on. I very much doubt that you'll be able to find something as easy, fun and quick that does all of those things at once.

And if all you get out of 30 minutes of sex or masturbation is 3-5 seconds of pleasure then you're doing something wrong.

The argument also seems to apply to just about everything. If you make the argument that video games aren't pointless because you get something out of it, then I'm sure there's things that'll achieve the same benefits.
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.
benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantities

masturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficient

and i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourse
I know the risks about intercourse but realistically speaking relationships generally require some level of sexual activity to survive. It's pretty essential.


 
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Maybe not to the individual who doesn't give a shit about living, but being apathetic about your health can have detrimental effects to those around you. Medical bills, having to care for them at a certain point, emotional pain, etc.

disregarding your own health to the extent that you'll become a burden on others is a problem that wouldn't arise if you don't masturbate/have sex. that's more like if you're abusing substances or neglecting to get certain nutrients.


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.
benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantities

masturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficient

and i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourse
I know the risks about intercourse but realistically speaking relationships generally require some level of sexual activity to survive. It's pretty essential.
The risks are also pretty minimal in many relationships. Don't have STDs and use some form of protection, and the risks are almost completely gone.


 
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You are welcome to substantiate the same benefits you'll get elsewhere with the same amount of effort. I'm particularly interested in things like improving your immune system, lowering the chance of prostate cancer, ridding yourself of disease-causing toxins building up in your urinary tract, reducing the risk of erectile dysfunction, improving the quality of sperm, relieving tension, helping people sleep and so on. I very much doubt that you'll be able to find something as easy, fun and quick that does all of those things at once.
first of all, no you're not

secondly:

- Re: Immune system improval—Fruit is fucking delicious, and eating lots of it (while cutting out less healthy foods from your system, like meat) can help improve your immune system. Quick, easy, fun. Exercise helps too, but that's an acquired taste in terms of how much fun you have doing it.

- Re: Prostate cancer prevention—Once again, plant-based diets can help reduce your odds of prostate cancer, because fats absorbed from plants are much healthier than the fats you absorb from animals. Giving up meat may not be quick, easy, and fun for you, but it has the added benefit of being ethical, which obviously beats out everything else.

- Re: Prevention of bacteria build-up—Literally just urinate. Drink lots of water. Bathe. Wear loose clothing. I really don't think there's such a colossal risk of this sort of thing happening, assuming you have decent hygiene.

- Re: Improving sperm quality—This is not a benefit, lmao

- Re: Relieving tension—This is by far the easiest. There's so many things you can do. You already play video games. You already consume lots of media entertainment. Maybe not so much anymore, since you're a busy guy, but still. That should give you some ideas. Get more rest.

- Re: Helping sleep—Okay, you know what? If you were to masturbate exclusively to help you sleep, I actually wouldn't begrudge you that. Sleep is a tough one if you're not getting enough of it (or can't), and I think spending 20-30 minutes is a fair trade for getting your 8 hours of rest.

But that's it. That is the only worthwhile benefit that can't easily be replicated elsewhere.

You like sex, that's okay. But its benefits are minimal and can be achieved elsewhere via more intellectual pursuits, and none of those more intellectual pursuits have risk of pregnancy, which is the worst thing that could possibly happen ever.
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And if all you get out of 30 minutes of sex or masturbation is 3-5 seconds of pleasure then you're doing something wrong.
masturbation is 20-30 minutes of sheer boredom for one brief spike of intense pleasure

the only reason i would encourage celibacy is pregnancy, as no amount of pleasure can justify it

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The argument also seems to apply to just about everything. If you make the argument that video games aren't pointless because you get something out of it, then I'm sure there's things that'll achieve the same benefits.
it's all about cost efficiency

if there are things more efficient in terms of entertaining myself than playing video games, watching movies, reading, writing, or even listening to music, i'm all ears

from my position, all of those things are a better use of time than masturbation


 
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You like sex, that's okay. But its benefits are minimal and can be achieved elsewhere via more intellectual pursuits, and none of those more intellectual pursuits have risk of pregnancy, which is the worst thing that could possibly happen ever.


 
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Verbatim needs a girlfriend badly. I don't mean it in a disrespectful way, most people here do. Shit I know it'd make me a better person.
yeah, i wouldn't mind

i remember telling you awhile ago that the main reason i didn't have one is because i didn't consider myself "adjusted" enough, but i think for now, i feel like i'm at a point where i could start actively pursuing that kind of thing again, maybe

it's gonna be extremely tough, though—assuming i meet the right girl, and she happens to like me, the relationship cannot happen if she wants to have children, is religious, or has a negative opinion about veganism

like i'm okay with the idea of dating someone who disagrees with me about a lot of things, because i've discovered over the years that i'm actually attracted to that sort of thing, but there are certain things that i cannot compromise on


 
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You like sex, that's okay. But its benefits are minimal and can be achieved elsewhere via more intellectual pursuits, and none of those more intellectual pursuits have risk of pregnancy, which is the worst thing that could possibly happen ever.

to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to be celibate


 
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Verbatim needs a girlfriend badly. I don't mean it in a disrespectful way, most people here do. Shit I know it'd make me a better person.
yeah, i wouldn't mind

i remember telling you awhile ago that the main reason i didn't have one is because i didn't consider myself "adjusted" enough, but i think for now, i feel like i'm at a point where i could start actively pursuing that kind of thing again, maybe

it's gonna be extremely tough, though—assuming i meet the right girl, and she happens to like me, the relationship cannot happen if she wants to have children, is religious, or has a negative opinion about veganism

like i'm okay with the idea of dating someone who disagrees with me about a lot of things, because i've discovered over the years that i'm actually attracted to that sort of thing, but there are certain things that i cannot compromise on
I mean those aren't things you're gonna know beforehand. And I think you'll change on some of things you think you won't change on. Love changes people. She'll change too.


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.
benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantities

masturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficient

and i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourse
I know the risks about intercourse but realistically speaking relationships generally require some level of sexual activity to survive. It's pretty essential.
that's a pretty naive thing to say

maybe that would be true in the 19th century, or in fucking china, but not today in the first world


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- Re: Immune system improval—Fruit is fucking delicious, and eating lots of it (while cutting out less healthy foods from your system, like meat) can help improve your immune system. Quick, easy, fun. Exercise helps too, but that's an acquired taste in terms of how much fun you have doing it.

- Re: Prostate cancer prevention—Once again, plant-based diets can help reduce your odds of prostate cancer, because fats absorbed from plants are much healthier than the fats you absorb from animals. Giving up meat may not be quick, easy, and fun for you, but it has the added benefit of being ethical, which obviously beats out everything else.

- Re: Prevention of bacteria build-up—Literally just urinate. Drink lots of water. Bathe. Wear loose clothing. I really don't think there's such a colossal risk of this sort of thing happening, assuming you have decent hygiene.

- Re: Improving sperm quality—This is not a benefit, lmao

- Re: Relieving tension—This is by far the easiest. There's so many things you can do. You already play video games. You already consume lots of media entertainment. Maybe not so much anymore, since you're a busy guy, but still. That should give you some ideas. Get more rest.

- Re: Helping sleep—Okay, you know what? If you were to masturbate exclusively to help you sleep, I actually wouldn't begrudge you that. Sleep is a tough one if you're not getting enough of it (or can't), and I think spending 20-30 minutes is a fair trade for getting your 8 hours of rest.

Gee

If only you can get all these benefits from some activity that only takes 1O minutes a day


 
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Gee

If only you can get all these benefits from some activity that only takes 1O minutes a day
several of the activities i described take even less time

and either way, risk of pregnancy should scare the shit out of you to a point where it nullifies the time spent achieving the pleasure


 
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Does that include sex or what?
It's up to you, but I think having sex is sort of going against the spirit of the idea.
Eh, if sex is included I already failed anyways. Seems kind of pointless too.
i'm sitting here cracking up at the idea that it is pointless to avoid doing pointless things
But there's notable health and relational benefits to it, hardly making it pointless anymore. It also seems inconsistent with your whole philosophy to be so against suffering but then reject pleasure.
benefits that can surely be achieved elsewhere and in higher quantities

masturbation = 10-30 minutes of time wasted for 3-5 seconds of pleasure; that doesn't seem very efficient

and i don't need to talk about the risks associated with intercourse
I know the risks about intercourse but realistically speaking relationships generally require some level of sexual activity to survive. It's pretty essential.
The risks are also pretty minimal in many relationships. Don't have STDs and use some form of protection, and the risks are almost completely gone.
the safest sex possible is 98.8% successful (over the course of a year of sex)

if every time you had sex, there was a 1 in 100 chance for your head to explode (or something equally horrific), would you still do it