Which is more important: The result of your actions or the actions you took?

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Ends vs means.

If you brutally kill 10 innocents to save 100, are you a hero or a maniac?



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Hero, a net gain is a net gain.


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Type 'Clinton body count' into Google.


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Get of my lawn
Type 'Clinton body count' into Google.

So I can see true fake news?


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the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Maniac. Not as much as you could have been, but still a maniac.


 
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Depends on what the means are justifying.


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Type 'Clinton body count' into Google.

So I can see true fake news?
i mean, let's be real, the clintons do have an absurd amount of blood on their hands. and they're corrupt elitist dickwads to boot. right wing morons hate them for the wrong reasons though.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Unless those people consented to being murdered without coercion you're pretty much on par with a serial rapist.

If the commune decides that personal existence is considered a form of property right then you've also violated the NAP and are now pretty much worse than a serial rapist.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Hero, a net gain is a net gain.
That's not gaining anything, it's just losing 10 people instead of 100.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
neither


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Let us assume a fully grown, completely healthy Clydesdale horse has his hooves shackled to the ground while he head is held in place with thick rope. He is conscious and standing upright, but he is completely immobile. And let us assume that for some reason every political prisoner on earth (as cited by Amnesty International) will be released from captivity if you can kick this horse to death in less than twenty minutes. You are allowed to wear steel-toed boots. Would you attempt to do this?


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Let us assume a fully grown, completely healthy Clydesdale horse has his hooves shackled to the ground while he head is held in place with thick rope. He is conscious and standing upright, but he is completely immobile. And let us assume that for some reason every political prisoner on earth (as cited by Amnesty International) will be released from captivity if you can kick this horse to death in less than twenty minutes. You are allowed to wear steel-toed boots. Would you attempt to do this?

So you're telling me I can fuck this horse and there's nothing anybody can do to stop me?


 
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Ends don't justify means. I hate to use the old cliche but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


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Let us assume a fully grown, completely healthy Clydesdale horse has his hooves shackled to the ground while he head is held in place with thick rope. He is conscious and standing upright, but he is completely immobile. And let us assume that for some reason every political prisoner on earth (as cited by Amnesty International) will be released from captivity if you can kick this horse to death in less than twenty minutes. You are allowed to wear steel-toed boots. Would you attempt to do this?
Never. I don't believe that by putting negativity into the world you can create something positive.

Why not?


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
Hero, a net gain is a net gain.
That's not gaining anything, it's just losing 10 people instead of 100.

Saving 90 peeps yo


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On principle, the actions you took will mostly be more important regardless of the outcome, but if it’s a situation of extreme morality like the one in the OP, then to me the result is a more weighty factor. It more becomes about your personal values and whether the blood of a hundred is worth sparing for the sake of the blood of ten on your own hands, rather than result vs intended action to me.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Hero, a net gain is a net gain.
That's not gaining anything, it's just losing 10 people instead of 100.

Saving 90 peeps yo
You're picking the lesser of two loses. I don't see it as a gain in any way.


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Hero, a net gain is a net gain.
That's not gaining anything, it's just losing 10 people instead of 100.

Saving 90 peeps yo
You're picking the lesser of two loses. I don't see it as a gain in any way.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/opportunitycost.asp


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Hero, a net gain is a net gain.
That's not gaining anything, it's just losing 10 people instead of 100.

Saving 90 peeps yo
You're picking the lesser of two loses. I don't see it as a gain in any way.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/opportunitycost.asp
That's fine, I'm not gonna say there isn't opportunity cost in this situation, all I am saying is that you have less people than the amount you started with regardless of what decision you make. If you place value on the lives of these people then you're set up to lose either way. You would have to make a decision, and there are plenty of arguments to be made for both, but I wouldn't consider either a net gain in any form. Unless the people you would be killing are somehow a detriment to society, and that detriment somehow outweighs the value of their lives.


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
Hero, a net gain is a net gain.
That's not gaining anything, it's just losing 10 people instead of 100.

Saving 90 peeps yo
You're picking the lesser of two loses. I don't see it as a gain in any way.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/opportunitycost.asp
That's fine, I'm not gonna say there isn't opportunity cost in this situation, all I am saying is that you have less people than the amount you started with regardless of what decision you make. If you place value on the lives of these people then you're set up to lose either way. You would have to make a decision, and there are plenty of arguments to be made for both, but I wouldn't consider either a net gain in any form. Unless the people you would be killing are somehow a detriment to society, and that detriment somehow outweighs the value of their lives.

This is really just an argument of semantics tbh.