Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 18, 2015, 10:31:20 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:33:51 PM

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.

Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.

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Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.

Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.

Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?

I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.

And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.

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Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.

Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.

Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?

I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.

And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.

The Media is one sided!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff..

I had the NRA facebook page liked for like 2 years, and I didn't hear anything about it despite the fact that they crawled all over every positive gun story ever.

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Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.

Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.

Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?

I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.

And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.

The Media is one sided!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff..

I had the NRA facebook page liked for like 2 years, and I didn't hear anything about it despite the fact that they crawled all over every positive gun story ever.

Most NRA news outlets are just cancerous OBUMMER'S GONNA TAKE YER GUNS stuff...

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Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.

Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.

Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?

I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.

And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.

The Media is one sided!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff..

I had the NRA facebook page liked for like 2 years, and I didn't hear anything about it despite the fact that they crawled all over every positive gun story ever.

Most NRA news outlets are just cancerous OBUMMER'S GONNA TAKE YER GUNS stuff...

I hate their phone calls, but at least they don't want to restrict things. They advocate freedom to protect yourself

As well as the freedom to get yourself needlessly killed.

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Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.

Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.

Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?

I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.

And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.

The Media is one sided!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff..

I had the NRA facebook page liked for like 2 years, and I didn't hear anything about it despite the fact that they crawled all over every positive gun story ever.

Most NRA news outlets are just cancerous OBUMMER'S GONNA TAKE YER GUNS stuff...

I hate their phone calls, but at least they don't want to restrict things. They advocate freedom to protect yourself

As well as the freedom to get yourself needlessly killed.

And that's my choice and no one has the right to force me to do otherwise

Which is true, and I was just informing you of other options.

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Quote from: Forgewolf on March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM

Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun

Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.

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Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now

That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.

What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected

I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?

YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?

Neither.

I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.

Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.

Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.

And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.

This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama

I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.

Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.

The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/

They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important

They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.

Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.

Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.

Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?

I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.

And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.

The Media is one sided!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff..

I had the NRA facebook page liked for like 2 years, and I didn't hear anything about it despite the fact that they crawled all over every positive gun story ever.

Most NRA news outlets are just cancerous OBUMMER'S GONNA TAKE YER GUNS stuff...

I hate their phone calls, but at least they don't want to restrict things. They advocate freedom to protect yourself

As well as the freedom to get yourself needlessly killed.

And that's my choice and no one has the right to force me to do otherwise

Too bad it's not always the gun owners who are injured/killed by their own guns. It's friends, family members, kids, etc.