Body cam shows events leading up to rookie cop's death

Please make sure to have a serious discussion in this thread and provide evidence to support your claims rather than using personal opinions in place of rebuttals

Coming from the guy making an irrelevant comment adding nothing to the discussion.

I'm notifying you of what we expect in the Serious Board. Excessive commenting with no evidence but simply personal opinions is hindering actual discussion.

Now, back on topic please.

What you expect is constantly changing. Also, I have at least provided proof of my claims. Even if someone wasn't, how is that hindering anyone else from having a conversation? That makes no sense, especially when you can mute them and not have to look at their posts at all. Your comment was the only one here not on topic. Glorious.

Provide links, articles, charts, something more than simply your own views.
The type of discussion you are having is simply baiting other users and calling them wrong.

If the trolling and derailing continues, you will get a warning.

I did, which you'd know had you actually read this thread. I've explained how they are wrong.

Thanks for admitting you're delusional. Trolls are mythical creatures and you are the only one here derailing the thread, which isn't even a locomotive in the first place. Also, will this be my first of 18 warnings like everyone else get, or is it just going to be more bias?

You've gone off the rails -____-

You tried to explain your points, and they were promptly refuted. Calling me "delusional" isn't helping your case.

the only one refuted here was yourself, which is why even you admitted you were wrong earlier.

You keep claiming I admitted being wrong, but where did that happen?

Read the first page. How did you allegedly refute me?

How did I not refute you?

Well, Camnator made the claim that the overwhelming majority of police officers would not let someone go if they were in the possession of illegal drugs, he specifically stated heroin in that incident but specifically stated marijuana later. Your problem was that he changed the specific illegal drug when in reality that wasn't what the main point was.

Seriously, why is Camnator banned for this? I admit he's not the most reasonable in how he responds to people at times, but he linked more sources than Kupo did, and Kupo was pretty much just saying "Nope, you're wrong, I don't believe you".

Really? This has to be bait.

His claim was irrelevant to the discussion and didn't really have a purpose except to change the subject. It's really not difficult to see how I refuted his "arguments."

And then he took it to a different thread for no apparent reason. He derailed this thread, was completely off-topic another one--both in Serious, where this behavior is frowned upon. What else needs to be said?

Assassin, Camnator was lite-banned for derailing threads.
Then spammed reports.

Let's not derail this thread even further than it already has.

How did I not refute you?

Well, Camnator made the claim that the overwhelming majority of police officers would not let someone go if they were in the possession of illegal drugs, he specifically stated heroin in that incident but specifically stated marijuana later. Your problem was that he changed the specific illegal drug when in reality that wasn't what the main point was.

Seriously, why is Camnator banned for this? I admit he's not the most reasonable in how he responds to people at times, but he linked more sources than Kupo did, and Kupo was pretty much just saying "Nope, you're wrong, I don't believe you".

Really? This has to be bait.

His claim was irrelevant to the discussion and didn't really have a purpose except to change the subject. It's really not difficult to see how I refuted his "arguments."

And then he took it to a different thread for no apparent reason. He derailed this thread, was completely off-topic another one--both in Serious, where this behavior is frowned upon. What else needs to be said?

How was his claim irrelevant? He mentioned that he had been offered to be a cop before and while he felt that he'd be able to handle the stress, he turned it down for stated reasons. You said that his claim was wrong, then the conversation started.

You keep saying how you refuted his arguments, how? By saying that they're irrelevant? That's not a refutation.

In that other topic you said something that he said contradicted what you said earlier. That is relevant as pointing out a flaw in your thinking is a contribution to discussion, whether you think it is or not.

Also, can I bring up this?

3) I have refuted every point you've brought up. Also, name-calling has no place in Serious.

You've gone full incoherent. Never go full incoherent.

Also, how you say that he's lying about his job offer without any base for that accusation and it serving no real purpose in discussion?

And a single incident of police brutality is hardly evidence that all police actions are brutality. That's poor reasoning even by your standards.

Notice that Camnator never said all police actions are brutality. He said that it often times can lead to brutality or murder. "Often" is not at all the same as "all"

As for providing sources, Camnator did that. He sourced crime statistics page and a video as evidence supporting his views. You responded with saying that it was either irrelevant or that 1 case doesn't mean it happens more than that. There are plenty of more cases of police brutality, there are websites full of them.

Assassin, Camnator was lite-banned for derailing threads.
Then spammed reports.

Let's not derail this thread even further than it already has.

While that depends on your personal definition of derailment, or whatever the staff defines it as, I guess that decision has been made. May I see where the definition for it is?

This thread was not derailed, it was a conversation that was on-topic that Kupo made sure was by continuing to reply to it. If the topic was derailed, then surely both users that caused the derailment would be banned, wouldn't they?

I think this is an interesting topic and since Camnator has been banned, I will be substituting for his position until later notice.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

I've done the exact opposite of everything you're accusing me of. Meanwhile, you're trying to debate a moderator decision with a normal member.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

Assassin, your derailing this thread. You aren't discussing the topic, or even Kupo's points in particular now.
You are saying "I'm right and you are wrong."

Discussing Camnator's ban isn't appropriate in this thread.
PM a mod, but drop that discussion here.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

I've done the exact opposite of everything you're accusing me of. Meanwhile, you're trying to debate a moderator decision with a normal member.

Since you clearly cannot read anything more than a paragraph, I'll be brief. I directed it at you too, I addressed topics you asked and pointed out contradictions in your argument.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

Assassin, you're derailing this thread. You aren't discussing the topic, or even Kupo's points in particular now.
You are saying "I'm right and you are wrong."

Discussing Camnator's ban isn't appropriate in this thread.

Kupo has yet to respond to my points, he continues evading them so I am calling him out on it.

I'm saying that I'm right and he is wrong? I am arguing a point, I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, that's the purpose of the argument, to lead us to the conclusion. It's really kind of simple.

How am I discussing Camnator's ban?

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

I've done the exact opposite of everything you're accusing me of. Meanwhile, you're trying to debate a moderator decision with a normal member.

Since you clearly cannot read anything more than a paragraph, I'll be brief. I directed it at you too, I addressed topics you asked and pointed out contradictions in your argument.

I'll refer you to Rocketman's post

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

I've done the exact opposite of everything you're accusing me of. Meanwhile, you're trying to debate a moderator decision with a normal member.

Since you clearly cannot read anything more than a paragraph, I'll be brief. I directed it at you too, I addressed topics you asked and pointed out contradictions in your argument.

I'll refer you to Rocketman's post

I'll refer you to my response to Rocketman's post.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

I've done the exact opposite of everything you're accusing me of. Meanwhile, you're trying to debate a moderator decision with a normal member.

Since you clearly cannot read anything more than a paragraph, I'll be brief. I directed it at you too, I addressed topics you asked and pointed out contradictions in your argument.

I'll refer you to Rocketman's post

I'll refer you to my response to Rocketman's post.

>____>

No. Just no. Goodbye. I'll let Rocket take care of this.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

I've done the exact opposite of everything you're accusing me of. Meanwhile, you're trying to debate a moderator decision with a normal member.

Since you clearly cannot read anything more than a paragraph, I'll be brief. I directed it at you too, I addressed topics you asked and pointed out contradictions in your argument.

I'll refer you to Rocketman's post

I'll refer you to my response to Rocketman's post.

Assassin I'm going to be blunt.
Drop it or get a heavy warning. This is not the place to be discussing this.

tl;dr

Don't tell me about this, I really don't care. Complain to the mods about it. But as they'll tell you--just like I'm telling you--Camnator very clearly violated the rules of this board.

And since Camnator made the claims, he needs to prove them. He didn't and displayed constant logical fallacies and called me names. He tried to derail not one but two threads. Never mind that marijuana arrests and laws are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Oh boy, I explain why what you're saying is hypocritical and wrong, then you just ignore all of it and say the same exact things again.

And to think, people still wonder why Camnator reuses the same joke insults all the time; it's because of things like this, it's mocking how you fail to respond intelligently and instead fall into repetition.

I explained everything to you. If you don't like that, then I feel sorry for you.

How are you not banned? You explained nothing other than that you don't comprehend what you're talking about.

I've done the exact opposite of everything you're accusing me of. Meanwhile, you're trying to debate a moderator decision with a normal member.

Since you clearly cannot read anything more than a paragraph, I'll be brief. I directed it at you too, I addressed topics you asked and pointed out contradictions in your argument.

I'll refer you to Rocketman's post

I'll refer you to my response to Rocketman's post.

Assassin I'm going to be blunt.
Drop it or get a heavy warning. This is not the place to be discussing this.

Bruh, did you really just delete my reply to you or was that a glitch?

Well, I see this thread went fucking well while I was in bed for the night.

Keep on topic people, Jesus Christ.

Can't believe this happened in Flagstaff. It's such a great place for anything like this to happen.

I can attest to the horrors that a cop deals with, my friend's father used to be a cop, and he got called to a job where he had to go break up a drug party, and when he was walking through, he noticed a child on the ground, silent. he picked up the baby and it's skull caved in his hands, the kid was dead, and the drunk fools had apparently been throwing the baby against the wall because it wouldn't stop crying. nothing can prepare you for that shit man, and it changes you. his dad was completely silent for the next month, and only told his family when my friend was moved out and they were discussing his job

Mother of god. I would have broken down crying.

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Holy shit, you aren't going to start this crap in here again Camnator.

Mods, lock thread pls.