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Quote from: Septy on December 23, 2015, 12:25:19 AMWhat happened to this threadGanon trying to remove the desu from sep7desugon.
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Quote from: Yu on December 23, 2015, 12:28:11 AMI need a number, not some crawling in my skin comment.Scissors. 61!
I need a number, not some crawling in my skin comment.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:28:32 AMQuote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:27:38 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:24:08 AMI don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.All these mental gymnasticsyou're the one performing mental gymnastics here bub.Not at all. The initial argument here was that atheism is some borderline belief that only exists on the Internet. That's obviously false.the statistics disagree with you. ive already explained that you are misinterpreting the data. just in case you missed it, ill link this again.2.4% in america identify as atheist as of 2012 according to this particular poll. the ratio of those who arent affiliated with a religion is 19.6% in 2012 but do not conflate that with atheism.http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/10/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdf
Quote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:27:38 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:24:08 AMI don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.All these mental gymnasticsyou're the one performing mental gymnastics here bub.Not at all. The initial argument here was that atheism is some borderline belief that only exists on the Internet. That's obviously false.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:24:08 AMI don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.All these mental gymnasticsyou're the one performing mental gymnastics here bub.
Quote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:24:08 AMI don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.All these mental gymnastics
I don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.
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Identifying as an atheist =/= being an atheistYou can't seriously expect me to believe that 97.6% of Americans believe in god.
Quote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:31:45 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:28:32 AMQuote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:27:38 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:24:08 AMI don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.All these mental gymnasticsyou're the one performing mental gymnastics here bub.Not at all. The initial argument here was that atheism is some borderline belief that only exists on the Internet. That's obviously false.the statistics disagree with you. ive already explained that you are misinterpreting the data. just in case you missed it, ill link this again.2.4% in america identify as atheist as of 2012 according to this particular poll. the ratio of those who arent affiliated with a religion is 19.6% in 2012 but do not conflate that with atheism.http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/10/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdfPew Research in 2014 says 3.1%. Regardless, strict athiesm in the US is still a large minority.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:33:35 AMIdentifying as an atheist =/= being an atheistYou can't seriously expect me to believe that 97.6% of Americans believe in god.He's right, Azu. We're expecting too much of SecondClass to believe that empirical evidence is true.
Quote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:29:38 AMI seriously hope you got the reference.
Quote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:35:05 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:33:35 AMIdentifying as an atheist =/= being an atheistYou can't seriously expect me to believe that 97.6% of Americans believe in god.He's right, Azu. We're expecting too much of SecondClass to believe that empirical evidence is true.Just because you have all of these idiots who put down "I don't believe in God, but I don't identify as an atheist". It skews the poll results. If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. It doesn't fucking matter what you "identify" as.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on December 23, 2015, 12:34:14 AMQuote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:31:45 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:28:32 AMQuote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:27:38 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:24:08 AMI don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.All these mental gymnasticsyou're the one performing mental gymnastics here bub.Not at all. The initial argument here was that atheism is some borderline belief that only exists on the Internet. That's obviously false.the statistics disagree with you. ive already explained that you are misinterpreting the data. just in case you missed it, ill link this again.2.4% in america identify as atheist as of 2012 according to this particular poll. the ratio of those who arent affiliated with a religion is 19.6% in 2012 but do not conflate that with atheism.http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/10/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdfPew Research in 2014 says 3.1%. Regardless, strict athiesm in the US is still a large minority.yeah obviously the stats differ from poll to poll.
Just because you have all of these idiots who put down "I don't believe in God, but I don't identify as an atheist". It skews the poll results. If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. It doesn't fucking matter what you "identify" as.
Quote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:35:34 AMQuote from: Prime Megaten on December 23, 2015, 12:34:14 AMQuote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:31:45 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:28:32 AMQuote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:27:38 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:24:08 AMI don't really care what you buy into. That sauce doesn't differentiate between agnostic and atheist, so it is an irrelevant statistic.All these mental gymnasticsyou're the one performing mental gymnastics here bub.Not at all. The initial argument here was that atheism is some borderline belief that only exists on the Internet. That's obviously false.the statistics disagree with you. ive already explained that you are misinterpreting the data. just in case you missed it, ill link this again.2.4% in america identify as atheist as of 2012 according to this particular poll. the ratio of those who arent affiliated with a religion is 19.6% in 2012 but do not conflate that with atheism.http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/10/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdfPew Research in 2014 says 3.1%. Regardless, strict athiesm in the US is still a large minority.yeah obviously the stats differ from poll to poll.I was more pointing out that the number may have grown since then, but that however much it's changed, numerous studies still show it as a strict minority.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:36:55 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:35:05 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:33:35 AMIdentifying as an atheist =/= being an atheistYou can't seriously expect me to believe that 97.6% of Americans believe in god.He's right, Azu. We're expecting too much of SecondClass to believe that empirical evidence is true.Just because you have all of these idiots who put down "I don't believe in God, but I don't identify as an atheist". It skews the poll results. If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. It doesn't fucking matter what you "identify" as.once again i must stress that religious non-affiliation does not automatically mean that they dont believe in god.
why is this even a discussion
Quote from: Azumarill on December 23, 2015, 12:38:01 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:36:55 AMQuote from: Ganon on December 23, 2015, 12:35:05 AMQuote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:33:35 AMIdentifying as an atheist =/= being an atheistYou can't seriously expect me to believe that 97.6% of Americans believe in god.He's right, Azu. We're expecting too much of SecondClass to believe that empirical evidence is true.Just because you have all of these idiots who put down "I don't believe in God, but I don't identify as an atheist". It skews the poll results. If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. It doesn't fucking matter what you "identify" as.once again i must stress that religious non-affiliation does not automatically mean that they dont believe in god.No, but it certainly can, and the whole atheist in everything but name shit happens so much. It's because the vocal atheists have ruined the word for everyone, so people do the whole "atheism is a religion, too" line and just pretend that they're "nonreligious". Newsflash: if you're not a theist, you're an atheist. That's literally what the word means.
Do you disagree with the fact that if you're not a theist, you're an atheist? It's in the definition of the word. Just tell me whether or not you agree with that so I can know whether or not to waste anymore time ITT.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:43:28 AMDo you disagree with the fact that if you're not a theist, you're an atheist? It's in the definition of the word. Just tell me whether or not you agree with that so I can know whether or not to waste anymore time ITT.are you retarded? of course i know the difference between theism and atheism. you're assuming that those who dont affiliate with a particular religion are not theists. you do not have to belong to a religion to be a theist. and id suggest you take a few steps back. ive been civil thus far but you're beginning to act like an ignorant troglodyte and if this continues i will no longer humor you.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 23, 2015, 12:43:28 AMDo you disagree with the fact that if you're not a theist, you're an atheist? It's in the definition of the word. Just tell me whether or not you agree with that so I can know whether or not to waste anymore time ITT.there's also deistsiirc, "theists" are people who believe in an established religion that is recognized by the government and shitwhereas deists just believe in some nondescript godmy parents are deists--i wouldn't call them theists
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