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Nolan's best movie

Memento
1 (6.7%)
Batman Begins
0 (0%)
The Prestige
2 (13.3%)
The Dark Knight
10 (66.7%)
Inception
1 (6.7%)
Interstellar
1 (6.7%)

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What is Nolan's best movie?

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Probably Memento, though I haven't seen it.

The Dark Knight is the best movie he's made that I've seen.


 
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Memento is so pretentious and overrated

The Prestige is his best one


 
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Memento is so pretentious and overrated

The Prestige is his best one
"pretentious" has become code for "i wish i came up with that"


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Memento is so pretentious and overrated

The Prestige is his best one
"pretentious" has become code for "i wish i came up with that"
I'm not a screenwriter

is this another episode where you go on a crusade against perfectly good words
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Memento is so pretentious and overrated

The Prestige is his best one
"pretentious" has become code for "i wish i came up with that"
I'm not a screenwriter
you don't have to be x to be envious of people who are

that's kind of the whole point of envy, actually


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Memento is so pretentious and overrated

The Prestige is his best one
"pretentious" has become code for "i wish i came up with that"
I'm not a screenwriter
you don't have to be x to be envious of people who are

that's kind of the whole point of envy, actually
you kinda do

even if I did come up with it, who cares? I wouldn't have the means to produce a film around it


 
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you kinda do

even if I did come up with it, who cares? I wouldn't have the means to produce a film around it
i'm just saying--the word "pretentious" just gets thrown around all the time, and it seems like another non-word to describe anything that you don't like, anything you don't understand, or anything you wish you had the talent to write or come up with, and the wherewithal to make it work


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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you kinda do

even if I did come up with it, who cares? I wouldn't have the means to produce a film around it
i'm just saying--the word "pretentious" just gets thrown around all the time, and it seems like another non-word to describe anything that you don't like, anything you don't understand, or anything you wish you had the talent to write or come up with
maybe that's just you being triggered by a word a lot of people use correctly

pretentious is a very specific word that refers to when something is so full of itself yet masquerades as high-high-concept art. Which fits Memento to a t.


 
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maybe that's just you being triggered by a word a lot of people use correctly

pretentious is a very specific word that refers to when something is so full of itself yet masquerades as high-high-concept art. Which fits Memento to a t.
i haven't seen the movie so i can't comment on that

"full of itself" is another meaningless term, though

literally what does that even mean


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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maybe that's just you being triggered by a word a lot of people use correctly

pretentious is a very specific word that refers to when something is so full of itself yet masquerades as high-high-concept art. Which fits Memento to a t.
i haven't seen the movie so i can't comment on that

"full of itself" is another meaningless term, though

literally what does that even mean
obsessed with itself, thinks it's the best thing ever even before it's released, etc

really not a hard phrase to grasp


 
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pretension to me has always just meant that the artist thinks highly of his own art--artistic narcissism

it's a word to describe the artist, not the art itself


 
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obsessed with itself, thinks it's the best thing ever even before it's released, etc

really not a hard phrase to grasp
you just keep piling on more meaningless definitions

"obsessed with itself"--what does that mean

how can a movie be obsessed with itself

it's not a hard phrase to grasp if you look at it from the perspective of some dumb philistine, sure

but for someone who understands what art is, it's completely meaningless
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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obsessed with itself, thinks it's the best thing ever even before it's released, etc

really not a hard phrase to grasp
you just keep piling on more meaningless definitions

"obsessed with itself"--what does that mean

how can a movie be obsessed with itself
When the movie clearly parades itself around with unnecessary camera angles, concepts, or cinematic techniques that while flashy, serve no use in the broader themes or meanings of the film. It's like if I wrote a novel and used a cursive font for the entire text.


 
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When the movie clearly parades itself around with unnecessary camera angles, concepts, or cinematic techniques that while flashy, serve no use in the broader themes or meanings of the film. It's like if I wrote a novel and used a cursive font for the entire text.
maybe you want to give the impression that the entire story is some character's diary--that's not pretentious

anyway, it seems that i was right

you personally deem those techniques unnecessary (ie. you don't like them) and that = pretentious

that's a very pretentious way of going about expressing your dislike of a film


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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When the movie clearly parades itself around with unnecessary camera angles, concepts, or cinematic techniques that while flashy, serve no use in the broader themes or meanings of the film. It's like if I wrote a novel and used a cursive font for the entire text.
maybe you want to give the impression that the entire story is some character's diary--that's not pretentious

anyway, it seems that i was right

you personally deem those techniques unnecessary (ie. you don't like them) and that = pretentious

that's a very pretentious way of going about expressing your dislike of a film
when something is done for style alone, and no content reason, it's pretentious

not personal dislike or like


 
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when something is done for style alone, and no content reason, it's pretentious

not personal dislike or like
that's pretty dumb

Sometimes you just wanna do cool shit, because it's fun, and it takes talent and vision.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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when something is done for style alone, and no content reason, it's pretentious

not personal dislike or like
that's pretty dumb

Sometimes you just wanna do cool shit, because it's fun, and it takes talent and vision.
that's being pretentious

everything you do in a film should contribute to what the film is about or what it's trying to express

if the main character is clinically depressed and the movie is in black and white, the style has a content reason

if it's just because the creator thought it looked cool, that's being pretentious


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Did he really become a meme director because of one movie?
Because of one scene, yes.


 
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everything you do in a film should contribute to what the film is about or what it's trying to express

if the main character is clinically depressed and the movie is in black and white, the style has a content reason

if it's just because the creator thought it looked cool, that's being pretentious
You can do it for both reasons. I can't think of a single notable director who doesn't do it for both reasons.


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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everything you do in a film should contribute to what the film is about or what it's trying to express

if the main character is clinically depressed and the movie is in black and white, the style has a content reason

if it's just because the creator thought it looked cool, that's being pretentious
You can do it for both reasons. I can't think of a single notable director who doesn't do it for both reasons.
you can, but one reason makes the film needlessly pretentious and one doesn't

this whole "you just say it as a synoynm for dislike" business is asinine - I would just say I disliked the movie
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you can, but one reason makes the film needlessly pretentious and one doesn't

this whole "you just say it as a synoynm for dislike" business is asinine - I would just say I disliked the movie
I just don't see how it's even a problem if a director is pretentious while simultaneously having something to be pretentious about. If a movie kicks ass on every level, the director has a right to be proud of his work.

You act like it's a bad thing or a criticism, when it's not. I can't think of a single conventionally good movie that prefers style over substance, and I don't even think preferring style over substance necessarily makes you pretentious.

Pretentious is when someone makes a style-over-substance movie, yet claims otherwise. He claims that it has more substance than it does. But if a director makes a flashy action movie that's very stylish and self-indulgent, it's not pretentious if the director acknowledges that.


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Stylistically, probably Memento. TDK was good, but not a great Batman film. Interstellar was fantastic until the ending. Nolan isn't very good at ending his films, IMO, which is probably why Memento is my favorite of his: the beginning is the ending.


 
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TDK was good, but not a great Batman film.
what makes a good batman film


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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TDK was good, but not a great Batman film.
what makes a good batman film
lots of POWs, BANGs, and Bat X items