Quote from: Aria on June 11, 2017, 03:07:04 AM

Ultimately this is an anecdotal thing, but I know the intimate details of all of my bffs lives

i mean, so do i—but it's different, because people tend to filter it in ways that make them look better

when my friends tell me intimate stories, it's obvious to me that 40-60% of it is fabricated or embellished, partially because they know i can be a very judgmental person, and i'm not afraid to chastise my friends for doing some some really dumb shit

and all my friends are at an age where pretty much all they do is dumb shit, as you can likely imagine

it's not that i get angry at them, but the way they are, it's clear to me that they don't like making me upset

so i can feel the eggshells they walk around when speaking to me, and it just pisses me off—it's like i'm not even talking to a real person anymore, almost like a caricature of a person i once knew

the internet is the only place where i feel like people are truly open and unafraid to express themselves, so the notion that your "real life" friends are closer to you will always be a joke to me

Like here, I tend to be very un-judgemental irl, so my friends have 0 issues with telling me their issues. If anything, people tend to tell me more than I'm comfortable with solely because they know I'll tell them things without being mean, but also without lying to them. For example, the friends and that I have and my family (extended, to relevance) all know why I don't like Trump (including those that voted for him), but all accept it as [at least] a difference in political views.

On second though, maybe I'm just the kind of politician that cons people into thinking that I represent them (aka the worst kind. the only good kind properly states their stances and wins based on their own merits).

this is the first negative post i've seen about the show, ever

thank you

Its biggest issue is that it's too overbearing on issues that are pretty obvious, and tries too hard on randumb humor. The Szechuan Sauce in the April Fools episode is the most obvious of the latter issue.

because i'm a silly child, the fact that you've finally embraced anti-natalism makes me feel all giddy inside

now when will you embrace veganism

because i'm a silly child, the fact that you've finally embraced anti-natalism makes me feel all giddy inside

now when will you embrace veganism

As soon as I overcome the ingrained idea that vegetables are a side dish and not a main course.

Like here, I tend to be very un-judgemental irl, so my friends have 0 issues with telling me their issues. If anything, people tend to tell me more than I'm comfortable with solely because they know I'll tell them things without being mean, but also without lying to them.

i'm not mean to my friends either

i don't think so, i try not to be

Quote from: Aria on June 11, 2017, 03:22:13 AM

Like here, I tend to be very un-judgemental irl, so my friends have 0 issues with telling me their issues. If anything, people tend to tell me more than I'm comfortable with solely because they know I'll tell them things without being mean, but also without lying to them.

i'm not mean to my friends either

It's not an issue of being mean; I'm not nice either. I just create the atmosphere of acceptance, regardless of thought or credence. My mother herself (a hardcore Republican, climate change denial and everything) couldn't even figure out my stance on issues without me outright telling her.

It's why, optimistically, I'd hope to be a judge one day. Realistically, I'll be dead before that's possible.

Quote from: Annie on June 11, 2017, 03:29:39 AM

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Quote from: Annie on June 11, 2017, 03:12:22 AM

Literally look at the purpose of a story from the most basic, caveman standpoint.

why in god's name would i do that

Because I'm arguing what the point of every story is. The meta aspects are a perversion of the inherent purpose of the story (total immersion), just like a lie is a perversion of the inherent purpose of language (communicating thoughts).

I can't do that unless I reference a time before that perversion existed.

i can be totally immersed in a film and still be analyzing the technical aspects

sucks that you can't i guess

No you can't. If you can analyze the film, that means you're admitting it isn't real.

immersion is not "this is real"—that's total immersion, which is physically impossible, and something you wouldn't want to experience anyway

immersion is "this asymptotically approaches real, but i know in the back of my mind that it's not real"

Wrong. That's partial immersion. True immersion is "this is real" (which is far from impossible), you're just incorrect lol. Not much sense trying to explain the meaning of storytelling to you if you have such a flaw in your base-level thinking.

And even if it was impossible, that doesn't matter. This is about what a story strives to do.

true immersion can never be reached

Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The purpose of every story is to strive to reach true immersion. If yours doesn't, it means you have no integrity in your universe, either because of apathy or corruption.

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Quote from: Aria on June 11, 2017, 03:22:13 AM

Like here, I tend to be very un-judgemental irl, so my friends have 0 issues with telling me their issues. If anything, people tend to tell me more than I'm comfortable with solely because they know I'll tell them things without being mean, but also without lying to them.

i'm not mean to my friends either

It's not an issue of being mean; I'm not nice either. I just create the atmosphere of acceptance, regardless of thought or credence. My mother herself (a hardcore Republican, climate change denial and everything) couldn't even figure out my stance on issues without me outright telling her.

It's why, optimistically, I'd hope to be a judge one day. Realistically, I'll be dead before that's possible.

yeah you'd excel in law school, i think

i thought i created an air of acceptance, too, but i guess i just don't

i understand that people don't necessarily want a third parent, but i think some people need one

carson wants one over me so bad omg

i thought i created an air of acceptance, too, but i guess i just don't

i understand that people don't necessarily want a third parent, but i think some people need one

A friend isn't someone you necessarily tell "everything" to. A therapist, that's who you tell everything to. That's the role I seem to play to most of my friends. Not sure if that's good or not.

Parental dictation requires a degree of judgement, and that's not a bad thing; some people do need parental advice outside of their actual parents, especially if their parents haven't properly taught them what they need. But many children hide things from their parents for fear of judgement; that's why it's nice for them to know there's someone who won't like or dislike them any less for their thoughts. My #1 rule is that I won't say anything I wouldn't say to someone's face; and I have gone back and recounted things I've said about my friends, good or bad. It inspires confidence in them that I will always be honest to them, regardless of the situation, without being unduly rude to them.

Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2017, 03:40:42 AM

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true immersion can never be reached

Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The purpose of every story is to strive to reach true immersion. If yours doesn't, it means you have no integrity in your universe, either because of apathy or corruption.

the purpose of every story is to send a message, actually

That's the immediate purpose - and only of some stories. The immediate purpose of something like The Naked Gun is to make you laugh. The immediate purpose of The Notebook is to make you cry. What all of these have in common, though, is the strife towards full immersion. You can't make someone laugh if you don't believe in what you're writing, and the only way to believe in that storywriting is by believing in the universe you're trying to create.

which is STILL not impossible to do while taking a more formalist, analytical approach to the experience

maybe try it some time and you'll see

(that literally argument for double standards was ridiculous)

what

Quote from: Annie on June 11, 2017, 03:44:57 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2017, 03:40:42 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 11, 2017, 03:37:54 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2017, 03:35:47 AM

true immersion can never be reached

Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The purpose of every story is to strive to reach true immersion. If yours doesn't, it means you have no integrity in your universe, either because of apathy or corruption.

the purpose of every story is to send a message, actually

That's the immediate purpose - and only of some stories. The immediate purpose of something like The Naked Gun is to make you laugh. The immediate purpose of The Notebook is to make you cry. What all of these have in common, though, is the strife towards full immersion. You can't make someone laugh if you don't believe in what you're writing, and the only way to believe in that storywriting is by believing in the universe you're trying to create.

which is STILL not impossible to do while taking a more formalist, analytical approach to the experience

maybe try it some time and you'll see

analyzing a movie means recognizing it's not real, which you shouldn't fucking do

really all that needs to be said

you might never be able to attain that true immersion, but you should still try to