What's your view on tipping?

 
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It's shit, but it's the system we're stuck with for the time being.

So when will we see a change? Going along with the problem doesn't seem to be working.


 
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we all know the moral repercussions of not tipping
Fuck the moral repercussions, I'm more worried about getting the physical ones.

Like a loogie in my pasta or worse...
when the first person in a month buys a pint of PBR
Their fault for getting PBR.
Same situation when someone gets Bud Lite on draft when Yuengling and Shocktop are available.
>Yuengling on draft in the south

What is this and how do I spread word of it's happening?


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we all know the moral repercussions of not tipping
Fuck the moral repercussions, I'm more worried about getting the physical ones.

Like a loogie in my pasta or worse...
when the first person in a month buys a pint of PBR
Their fault for getting PBR.
Same situation when someone gets Bud Lite on draft when Yuengling and Shocktop are available.
>Yuengling on draft in the south

What is this and how do I spread word of it's happening?
It's because my boss was a New York Italian man. They have good taste in food.


 
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i would have great difficulty accepting tips if i worked as a waiter

i'd probably just either donate it or give it to someone else


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i would have great difficulty accepting tips if i worked as a waiter

i'd probably just either donate it or give it to someone else
There's a big difference between gratuitous tips and tips. There were a lot of days that I made less than minimum wage as a server, and days where I made $15 an hour doing it. The former were much more often than the latter.

Point is, tips are legitimately the income of servers. If you give away your tips, you just made $12 on a twelve hour shift.


 
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Going along with the problem is the worst thing you could to tbh. You can't expect others to change if you won't, which just allows the problem to propagate.


 
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i would have great difficulty accepting tips if i worked as a waiter

i'd probably just either donate it or give it to someone else
There's a big difference between gratuitous tips and tips. There were a lot of days that I made less than minimum wage as a server, and days where I made $15 an hour doing it. The former were much more often than the latter.

Point is, tips are legitimately the income of servers. If you give away your tips, you just made $12 on a twelve hour shift.
i really don't care

i just really really have a problem with having other people pick up the tab for me just because my job sucks
they shouldn't be obligated, and i don't want to obligate them
Last Edit: November 11, 2015, 05:19:58 PM by Verbatim


 
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If you give away your tips, you just made $12 on a twelve hour shift.

That's fucking criminal.


 
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that's also why i'm never working as a waiter

i'm just saying, if i was, i wouldn't accept tips


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i would have great difficulty accepting tips if i worked as a waiter

i'd probably just either donate it or give it to someone else
There's a big difference between gratuitous tips and tips. There were a lot of days that I made less than minimum wage as a server, and days where I made $15 an hour doing it. The former were much more often than the latter.

Point is, tips are legitimately the income of servers. If you give away your tips, you just made $12 on a twelve hour shift.
i really don't care
I'm just saying, most people have jobs because they are saving for something or paying bills. You can't do either on $40 a week; you'd spend that entire thing week to week on gas and essentials alone.


 
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Surely some restaurants have integrity and give their employees a decent wage that doesn't rely on tips, right?


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If you give away your tips, you just made $12 on a twelve hour shift.

That's fucking criminal.
Yeah, and it's allowed because of the logic that the restaurant lowers the price of food to make it more accessible, and the rest of the servers' wages are filled in by the consumer. The alternative is taking out the hidden cost and paying the servers full wages.

I'd opt for the latter, but that would require convincing large chains that it would be necessary or profitable.


 
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Surely some restaurants have integrity and give their employees a decent wage that doesn't rely on tips, right?
Yeah, in Europe.


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Surely some restaurants have integrity and give their employees a decent wage that doesn't rely on tips, right?
Fast food is pretty much it. Starbucks baristas get minimum wage, Joe Mug gets ~$2.35 an hour before taxes.


 
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I'd opt for the latter, but that would require convincing large chains that it would be necessary or profitable.

And how would we go about that?


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I'd opt for the latter, but that would require convincing large chains that it would be necessary or profitable.

And how would we go about that?
Boycotts, write-ins, unionizing, hoping Congress closes loopholes for skirting federal minimum wage. None of those are likely.


 
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Boycotts, write-ins, unionizing, hoping Congress closes loopholes for skirting federal minimum wage. None of those are likely.

Why are people so fucking retarded.

Why is it so difficult to get people to just be decent -- fair prices for fair wages for fair work.


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Boycotts, write-ins, unionizing, hoping Congress closes loopholes for skirting federal minimum wage. None of those are likely.

Why are people so fucking retarded.

Why is it so difficult to get people to just be decent -- fair prices for fair wages for fair work.
People aren't chocolates. Do you know what they are mostly? Bastards. Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.


 
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I don't tip, although it's not part of the culture here so I guess there's that.
Well, that and I'm rarely anywhere tipping would be a thing.


 
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fixed wages incentivize sub-par customer service


 
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fixed wages incentivize sub-par customer service

you shouldn't need incentive to do your job -- that's what they're paying you for


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
fixed wages incentivize sub-par customer service
Not really. If they had fixed wages, it doesn't mean they don't get tips anymore. That being said, a job as a waiter with a normal wage plus tips suddenly becomes a very attractive job, which means higher demand for that job.
How many people actually tip hairdressers?


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
fixed wages incentivize sub-par customer service
Not really. If they had fixed wages, it doesn't mean they don't get tips anymore. That being said, a job as a waiter with a normal wage plus tips suddenly becomes a very attractive job, which means higher demand for that job.
How many people actually tip hairdressers?
I always tip my hairdresser.


 
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When you live in a city area

I do live in a city area. It's actually easier to go to the store because there's a hell of a lot more of them and they're hell of a lot closer. Sounds like you need to manage your time better m8. Safeway and other super markets close at 1 am and if I can work night shifts that let me off at 11pm-12am as well as having school during the week and still find time to go to the store at least once a week then so can you.

fixed wages incentivize sub-par customer service

Restaurants that have gone no tip have found that their customer service actually improved due to it. Happy workers are better workers.


Also quality of service =/= better tip. There's no correlation whatsoever and waiters that provide a better quality service only see above average tips about 2% of the time.
Last Edit: November 12, 2015, 01:09:45 AM by LC


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It's a shit system, but not agreeing with it doesn't change the fact that those people are making like $3/hr without it.
Not at all restaurants. Some servers make minimum wage plus tips. And I'm pretty sure that, in the event that they pay a decreased wage and a server does not make enough money in tips to amount to minimum wage, the restaurant has to make up the difference. That is how it was at a restaurant I worked at about 10 years ago.

I'm living overseas now, and tipping is not required because servers make a living wage.
Last Edit: November 12, 2015, 01:44:31 AM by Ginger


 
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Hmm...
If you can't afford to tip in the US then you can't afford to eat out. Until the minimum wage for service jobs is raised or tip restaurants start following the lead of the no tip ones then you should continue to tip.

It's shit, but it's the system we're stuck with for the time being.


No, sir.


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I do it when the waiter/waitress gives me good service and has a good attitude, these people get fives...I just leave a one for the others that are rude :s


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If you can't afford to tip in the US then you can't afford to eat out.
This is a retarded way to think.

I can afford to eat out and pay a tip. I'm going out to eat food, not to eat food and pay someone's wage.
Just because I can afford to tip doesn't mean I should.

Fuck the US and its ass backwards systems.