do you label anything artistic that you don't or are unwilling to understand as pretentious

do you label anything artistic that you don't or are unwilling to understand as pretentious

I label art where you to jump through mental hurdles to understand pretentious

Quote from: Verbatim on September 05, 2020, 07:07:25 PM

do you label anything artistic that you don't or are unwilling to understand as pretentious

I label art where you to jump through mental hurdles to understand pretentious

that's no good either, because what you've basically said here is that art shouldn't be challenging—which is obviously a very silly and obtuse perspective that i don't think you mean

pretentiousness is when an artist wants you to believe he's created something profound, but doesn't actually have anything profound to say, so he resorts to posturing

but sometimes, an artist may genuinely feel as though there's no better way to express a certain idea than to make something extremely esoteric—it's not pretentious, it's just inarticulate

so if you want to call artists like this out for anything, call them out for being poor communicators (i guess)—or you could just, you know, take the time to understand the purpose of it, because it's probably not that deep anyway

Quote from: SecondClass on September 05, 2020, 07:53:56 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 05, 2020, 07:07:25 PM

do you label anything artistic that you don't or are unwilling to understand as pretentious

I think all art is allowed right?

Verbatim you must agree that all art is art right? Art is defined by "a product made from emotion"

is trump a piece of shit?

why the fuck are you asking me if i believe in the exact sentiment that i'm actively expressing

Quote from: Coomer on September 05, 2020, 07:56:37 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 05, 2020, 07:07:25 PM

do you label anything artistic that you don't or are unwilling to understand as pretentious

I label art where you to jump through mental hurdles to understand pretentious

that's no good either, because what you've basically said here is that art shouldn't be challenging—which is obviously a very silly and obtuse perspective that i don't think you mean

pretentiousness is when an artist wants you to believe he's created something profound, but doesn't actually have anything profound to say, so he resorts to posturing

but sometimes, an artist may genuinely feel as though there's no better way to express a certain idea than to make something extremely esoteric—it's not pretentious, it's just inarticulate

so if you want to call artists like this out for anything, call them out for being poor communicators (i guess)—or you could just, you know, take the time to understand the purpose of it, because it's probably not that deep anyway

There has to be some attempt from the artist to guide the viewer towards an emotion or idea. It should provoke a reaction out the viewer. With modern art, I look at it and feel nothing or confused. And then I'm told what I should feel or what the meaning is suppose to be. Even if the artist has a profound idea to convey, they still have to convey it in an effective manner.

https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/9/8/16271226/why-all-white-paintings-in-museums

For example these white paintings. The lady says the viewer is suppose to look at it and wuestion the emotions they feel from it. I could do the same with my bedroom wall. What about the art piece itself is special?

I think pretentious artists know there's nothing inherently meaningful about their pieces but then say that's the point or say there's some hidden meaning. Pretentious art is more about obscuring the meaning rather than making meaning.

There has to be some attempt from the artist to guide the viewer towards an emotion or idea. It should provoke a reaction out the viewer. With modern art, I look at it and feel nothing or confused.

so the art was able to provoke a confused and nonplussed reaction out of you?

it sounds like it fits your criteria, then

my personal reaction is amusement—the idea that someone would have the gall to submit a white canvas to a museum, or sell it for $20 mill, is funny to me, and also vaguely disgusting

what separates it from your bedroom wall is the added context of "this is art"—that statement, and the intent behind the statement

it doesn't make the piece "special," but whoever said art had to be special

I think pretentious artists know there's nothing inherently meaningful about their pieces but then say that's the point

i mean, that's just called honesty—is it pretentious to be honest

Also if an artist has a genuine point to make but decides a blank white painting is the best way to do it, they're just a shitty artist

i don't disagree, and that's a perfectly valid opinion to have, but as long as you don't strip them of the status of being an artist, or try to gatekeep what can and cannot be art, then we're basically on the same page