What joy can somebody get from having a baby that they can't get from adopting?

"Continuing the bloodline" isn't a reason either. You aren't a king who wants to keep his family or power and a dog that can't help it. I highly doubt your genetics are that phenomenal that the world NEEDS them passed on. Your family name will go on with an adopted child

Quote from: Tyger on July 21, 2015, 09:02:13 AM

What joy can somebody get from having a baby that they can't get from adopting?

"Continuing the bloodline" isn't a reason either. You aren't a king who wants to keep his family or power and a dog that can't help it. I highly doubt your genetics are that phenomenal that the world NEEDS them passed on. Your family name will go on with an adopted child

I agree but there is pregnancy for women.

>pregnancy
>joy

bbut making something inside you

sounds disgusting and horrific

not to mention, we all know how it ends

One quick word and I'm stepping out of this thread.

Everytime I see Verbatim or anyone who has a similar view argue for their ideology, I become more disgusted the longer it goes on. I'm sorry but this view is ridiculous in my opinion.

That's... pretty ridiculous.

How could you be disgusted at someone who actively doesn't have kids? That's like getting grossed out at someone who doesn't eat french fries.

See how retarded that is?

[Rant incoming]

I mean, you honestly think I want to be an antinatalist? Because I sure as fuck don't. But, as a human, I have a moral obligation. There is no worthwhile argument for natalism. If I saw one, I wouldn't be an antinatalist. It disagrees with the most important things I've ever wanted in my life. I've wanted kids since I was 8. I've had their names planned out since I was 10.

There is no ethical alternative. It's the same as veganism. I'm a vegan because I have a moral obligation to be. Now, most people respond to veganism with either:

1. An accepting of the fact that veganism is ethically superior to the alternative, but don't care (for whatever reason) and continue with their meat-eating practices

2. A denial of the sound arguments behind the ideology and continue eating meat

3. Becoming a vegan

Same can be said for antinatalism. You either:

1. Understand the movement, but don't care (which makes you an apathetic CUNT in my books)

2. Don't understand the movement because you're
i) too stubborn
ii) too stupid

or,

3. You become an antinatalist

Personally, I'm not okay with apathy. That's why I have such extreme viewpoints. And I can forgive people who consume meat and dairy to an extent -- it's an addiction. But what I can't forgive is people who dismiss the argument that having kids is wrong. I understand that people are less likely to argue an orthodoxy, but it is the most sound argument I've ever seen. And it doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form. Just don't have kids. You've never had kids in the past, so you're not missing out on anything. And if you are, fucking adopt a kid! Save a poor child's life.

Forget all this "extinction of the species" shit. When you die, the earth could implode and you wouldn't know the difference. You're fucking dead, it doesn't matter. The difference between the human race ending and ascending into apotheosis (which will likely never happen) is virtually non-existent because 99.99% of people who ever lived won't experience it. Including you.

/end rant

Sorry, just needed this out there.

Shouldn't this be in serious?

i'd honestly prefer it not to be this time

My genetics are top tier and need to be passed on

It's actually more akin to someone being disgusted at someone for not eating french fries and yelling at everyone else to not eat them as well.

No, it isn't. Even if it was, no one is yelling at anyone.

We need more 6'2" hazel eyed bronze skin demigods walking around

We need more 6'2" hazel eyed bronze skin demigods walking around

>not blue eyes
>not pure white

Please never breed ever.

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Quote from: Jive Turkey on July 21, 2015, 02:46:48 PM

We need more 6'2" hazel eyed bronze skin demigods walking around

>not blue eyes
>not pure white

Please never breed ever.

Dude I saw this girl today, GOD DAYUM. Looked like a motherfuckin supermodel man that girl was on fire.

Did you put her out?

People are legitimately happy. Nobody's being tricked by anything.

sure

This is such retarded logic. And I hesitate to call it logic. You don't solve a problem by not existing. That's called running away from it. That's not what humans do.

Then fuck humans, and yay for running away from problems.

The best way to solve a problem:

Don't create the problem.
Don't create a need that doesn't need to exist.

34,000 is a lot of people, and even if it was just ONE is proof you're wrong about us all being selfish.

It really isn't a lot.

And I'm sure every single one of those people are still selfish in other ways.

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Yes.

What

Wasting suffering = Failing to derive some form of recompense. Failing to justify it. Failing to make up for it.

Not that complicated.

Or we can keep on truckin until we reduce suffering to a level that is acceptable.

We can reduce suffering while we're here, sure. I'm all for that.

But there will never be an acceptable amount of it. The only acceptable amount is 0, and we'll never achieve that.

And even if we do, what the fuck is there left to do in planet earth?
...Jerk off?

So we bring people into existence just so they can jerk around doing stupid bullshit until they die.

Fuck that.

You can gain a lot fr suffering. It drives us to new heights. As people, as a species.

That just makes me hate life even more.

Do you WANT to live in a world with no suffering? I don't think you know what that entails.

It entails being dead. Or, in other words, out of this godawful planet filled with insane fucktards who think life is good.

Then what's the point? If you could eliminate all suffering, but you find that pointless, what's the point of your ideology?

I don't find eliminating suffering pointless. I find the endpoint pointless.

All life should go extinct. That's the point.