Bro, you're making me throw up with how much you're riding Verbatim. Stop.

Someone's mad tho. I would be too if I was being consistently humiliated by "my boy".

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Quote from: challengerX on July 20, 2015, 07:48:32 PM

Calm down bro. Parroting Verbatim doesn't make you relevant.

Regurgitating awful memes doesn't make you relevant, but you do it all the same.

People are posting memes in this thread? You drunk?

No? I never said that you were.

But everywhere else, yeah, you do.

Force what? How can I force something that doesn't exist? It exists after I create it. Nothing is forced. It has to exist first to be forced.

Says who? You? Just now? Grasping at straws?

That's such a cheat, too.

X doesn't exist.
Bad things will happen if I create X.
Don't create X.

The only way you could ever justify having a kid is if you could see into the future and discover that your child will be the one to cure cancer. Or something glorious like that.

That would be the ONLY justification.

Ain't sticking around to watch challenger and prehisnake fight or try to discuss an issue that nobody is going to come to a concensus on.

Threads like these speak to the rational who watch it happen.

I know there are people here who could be anti-natalists in the future, they just haven't seen a compelling argument -- yet.

Good things will happen if I create X.
Create X.

The amount of bad things will forever outweigh the good things.

Even those who think they're happy with their lives are mostly either
1. lying to themselves
2. have been lied to (religion, social conditioning, biological predisposition, etc.)

Even simple stuff like breathing air is an extreme burden that nobody should ever have to deal with.
Every single good thing that happens is only at the cost of at least one other human being's suffering.

The food you eat is only at the cost of other sentient animals.
The clothes you wear were made in a horrible sweat shop--perhaps via child labor.
Our lives are nothing but a cost on our own species. We're nothing but liabilities.

So now people without cancer have lives worth living? I thought you said life was terrible even if you're perfectly healthy?

I don't think I ever said life was terrible. I said it was garbage.
As in, it's waste.

What we can do is make life less wasteful. Why do you think I'm taking this position at all?

Quote from: Rinev on July 20, 2015, 06:43:06 PM

tfw I would consider myself non-anti-natalist but I agree with Verb.

That would make you an anti-natalist...

I used to be, what I called, an "anti-natalist sympathiser". But then I realised that that's bullshit, and if I agreed with anti-natalists, then I am an anti-natalist.

I mean, it's not like you have to ask to join a club or anything. You either are or you aren't.

[btw, non-anti-natalist=natalist]

I'm not against the birth of children, I just think that it's absurd assuming that a non-existent being would be okay with being born.

I used 'non-anti-natalist' because I wouldn't call myself a natalist either, or if I am, I would be at the low end of the spectrum. Basically, I don't promote human reproduction, but I'm not opposed to it.

I believe that if a child is going to be born, it has roughly an equal chance of having a good life as there is for it to have a shitty life, and it should be up to the parents/guardians (for the most part) to mold their experience.

Oh no Potato, not one these! Not in the Flood!

Oh noesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!

it was either this, or keep it all in brute's thread *shrug*

which i didn't want to do, so

credit plz

Even simple stuff like breathing air is an extreme burden that nobody should ever have to deal with.

I'm staying out of the main argument, but...

I believe that if a child is going to be born, it has roughly an equal chance of having a good life as there is for it to have a shitty life, and it should be up to the parents/guardians (for the most part) to mold their experience.

The presence of pain is bad.
The absence of pleasure is bad.
The presence of pain is inherent to being alive.
The absence of pleasure can not be noticed if no one is there to feel deprived.

It is a pretty dick move to make that decision for someone.

Where's your proof for this?

Most people are religious.
Most people don't live in first world countries.

I mean fuck. I'm not sure if you've used your brain for one second throughout this entire discussion.

Where's your proof that life is worth living, just because the majority of the fucktards on this planet are happy? That's not good enough.

I mean the whole idea of "we should all be dead because I can't handle suffering" clearly stems from depression. Everybody else is fine with being alive. 

Prove it.

There's something severely wrong with you if you think breathing is an extreme burden.

It is. Maybe you like the idea of being choked to death, or drowning, but I don't. If we didn't need oxygen, neither of those things would be problems. This is basic shit.

Breathing air doesn't cause any suffering.

Says the guy who has never been choked and has never drowned.

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The food you eat is only at the cost of other sentient animals.

And? Same goes for other animals. You act as if we're the cause of all suffering.

...We are. All sentient life is the cause of all sentient suffering.

Duh.

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Our lives are nothing but a cost on our own species. We're nothing but liabilities.

So doctors are liabilities? Firemen? Scientists who continuously improve lives? People who protect animals from extinction?

These people work for pay. Not to help their species. None of them actually care at all about helping their fellow man, and if they honestly did, they would work for free.

We only protect animals from extinction because they help US. No one actually cares about animals.

We suck. We're selfish motherfucking cunts at the core.

A waste of what?

Suffering.

Nothing we've ever done can justify the sheer amounts of suffering we've endured throughout the ages.