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Shinji should have stayed on the Wundar just to tap that.

HOW THE FUCK IS TOJI'S SISTER EVEN HERE?

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A translated interview from the 2.0 CRC (Complete Records Collection) regarding Shinji & Rei/the ending of 2.0:

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>At what point did you decide that the climax would blend the story of episode 19 with elements of episode 23?
Tsurumaki: I had suggested that this would be a good idea, and it was [in place] from a very early stage. The original plan had been for "Break" to comprise episodes eight to nineteen. I thought this would be difficult. If the number of episodes covered would be large in any case, I thought we should instead increase the range to include episode 23, and free up the third part onwards. I thought it would be unpleasant to leave "homework."
>So you could admit new elements in the future?
Tsurumaki: Right. There was a feeling that we wanted the difficulties to be, as far as possible, confined to "Break," because we wanted a situation where we would be able to try various things in the third part. So, after Rei's death in episode 23, Kaworu comes to Shinji; we attempted a structure similar to the TV series. But, in the end, Rei didn't die........
>Instead, it seemed that Shinji and Rei "got together."
Tsurumaki: There is probably some other intention there, so I think you should check with Anno-san [about that]. However, because there was a feeling that Rei III had been poorly developed in the TV series, after Rei II died in "Break," we wanted to develop in detail the drama of Rei III in "Q."

>So it's something you were not able to fully realize in the TV series. "Because I am the third" is an amazingly impactful, famous line of dialogue, but, in truth, I felt that [Rei III] didn't really mean much after that.....
Tsurumaki: I thought going deeply into that would be interesting, even in a "Science Fiction"-like way. As Rei realizes the fact, and the significance of the fact, that there has been more than one Rei before her, how, as a clone, will she achieve her independence as an individual? I wanted to develop a story like that. However, it was decided that Rei wouldn't die, and, in the climax of "Break," we strongly and actively push the idea of "Rei and Shinji being brought together," a development taken over from "Prelude."
>That was an extraordinarily surprising development.
Tsurumaki: Because it's even linked with the motivation for having Asuka pilot Unit-03, it ended up being a stronger way of developing things than I thought.
>There's one thing that mystified me. Despite the fact that the original scenario for the climax was different, in "Prelude" Gendou mentions something like a "love love strategy" intended to bring Rei and Shinji closer together. Why does that appear to be consistent [with "Break"]?
Tsurumaki: Anno-san probably hasn't thought about that very deeply.

>Eh? That wasn't foreshadowing?
Tsurumaki: We on the staff had a conversation about that dialogue from "Prelude," wondering if it was okay to have [Gendou] say that. Not to mention that I thought Rei II was going to die in "Break."
>Then why, despite that, was there a consistency?
Tsurumaki: This is evidence that the story was developed, not with an "inductive" technique, but with a "deductive" one. "He already said it there, so we have no choice." It's something like a methodology where [the story] is adjusted, even forcibly, to be consistent with what has already been done.
>This is quite a shock (laughing)! Surely, immediately following "Prelude," there are people who grin and say of the "love love strategy," "This is a big change!" Surely it leaves a strong impression on everyone. As a result, they will surely think during "Break," "Ah, as I thought, those two were brought together!"
Tsurumaki: The impression that Anno-san mainly wanted to convey was that Gendou and Fuyutsuki were devising a secret plot. Because Shinji happens to go to Rei's room just after that, that was what they discussed. When "secret plot" and "Shinji and Rei" were combined, it probably appeared something like "a strategy to bring together Shinji and Rei."

>Rather than being disappointed, I'm impressed. All the more, I have a pleasant feeling that things have become "Eva-esque." The fact that this consistency is inherent [makes it] extremely valuable; I am delighted [to think] that this may be the much-discussed "live feeling." In any case, there will surely be many viewers who have the impression that, this time, Gendou's Human Instrumentality Project [somehow depends on] this "love love strategy." Fuyutsuki also says something like, "As we thought, owing to those two Unit-01 has awakened."
Tsurumaki: And Gendou replies something like "A little while longer, and our project is complete." I had doubts storyboarding that conversation, and sent Anno-san a series of questions about it. "So Gendou knew this would happen to Unit-01? Or was Gendou also surprised and troubled? Or was Gendou surprised, but pleased with the outcome?" I didn't understand the specific meaning of the statement, so I struggled to interpret it. Anno-san replied that, "For now, we'll say he aimed at this and things went the way he expected." I wondered if that was enough. For myself, I am still skeptical that even Gendou isn't really panicking inside, but...
>So [everything] will probably be overturned again next time?
Tsurumaki: That is perfectly likely (laughs).

>One more thing: Kaworu's existence in light of the fact that we are given this strong impression that, "this time, the human instrumentality project was this 'love love strategy' with Shinji and Rei." There's no doubt that female fans were extremely pleased by Kaworu's line after the ending: "Ikari Shinji-kun, this time, I will make you happy."
Tsurumaki: Kaworu's line stayed the same from the very first storyboard. It was something he said while wearing his usual relaxed smile. Of course, at the last minute, just, I think, before we started postsynchronization, we began talking about whether or not it would be better if Kaworu looked scary during that scene.
>As a result, it looks like he's come to take his bride by force!
Tsurumaki: Right, right (laughing). [We thought it would be] more interesting if Kaworu looked like [he was thinking]: "You've been with a woman while I've been away? How dare you...!" It's not Kaworu's usual relaxed expression; he's somehow become irritated, right?

Some things to note:
- This interview was readily available shortly after 2.22's DVD/BD release in Japan, meaning it was probably well before Q got a story overhaul.
- The "love love strategy" they are referring to is the Japanese basic translation of Gendo's line to Fuyutsuki in 1.0: "Next I'll have him get closer to Rei."
- They wanted the original ending of Rei's death in 2.0 so that 3.0 would have less problems and they ended up compromising on the end of 2.0.
- They adjust the movie they're working on and "force" the story to fit into what was established in the previous film(s). They're making sure nothing is retconned (which makes everything we know about Q all the more bizarre).
- With this compromise on Rei's fate at the end of 2.0, 3.0 was still wildly different from anything else before and is only not even more different because Rei """kind of""" survived and is in an awkward middle-state. They wanted 3.0 to be a very prolonged version of episode 24, and even though they got what they wanted, it apparently wasn't entirely what they were aiming for solely because of 2.0's ending involving Rei.


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No and yes.

A large portion of Shinji's emotional/mental well being in Q stemmed from the idea that he did indeed save Rei at the end of 2.0 and was the driving factor in several key decisions he made in the movie. Had that not occurred and Shinji knew beyond reasonable doubt that she dies, two different stories would've came out of that:

1. Everything else plays out the same (since it was revealed that the time-skip was supposedly planned all along) and now we have a Shinji with much less reason to take certain actions, I can't see how Khara could continue the story from this perspective since Shinji's belief that he saved Rei was the sole reason for leaving WILLE.
2. The movie largely remains unchanged with the exception that Shinji is introduced to the Rei we see in Q (Rei Q) and believes he might have saved her at the end of 2.0 (not realizing Rei II did indeed die at the end). The movie would've been just the same but bogged down by Shinji learning more about Rei Q and is forced into awkward times whereas the information on Rei Shinji is given in the current iteration flows more naturally from scene to scene.

Keep in mind, the entire internal debate Khara had over the matter of Rei's fate at the end of 2.0 stems from a single line of dialogue spoken between Gendo & Fuyutsuki in 1.11 that wasn't intended to be more than just a repeated line from NGE.

This litteraly only make it worse


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I just realized something.

I already knew that Shinji playing Shogi with Professor Fuyutsuki in 3.0 was already symbolic of Shinji's current predicament. Shogi isn't about destroying enemy pieces but instead recruiting them over to your side. With Shinji's actions, he lost his most valuable piece to his father. I originally thought this was some deep meaning with Kaworu coming back against Shinji in 3.0+1.0 siding with Gendo; however that seems unlikely and the answer is much simpler.

Kaworu mentions that he fell into a trap with Shinji set by Gendo when Eva-13 begins to awaken. Shinji did indeed lose his most valuable piece (Kaworu) to Gendo; but what more than likely happened is that Gendo fed false information on the spears to Kaworu who fed the same info to Shinji. In essence, Gendo made a play against Shinji himself using Kaworu as a proxy, causing Shinji to make an incorrect decision (grabbing the spears). Shinji ends up losing the game to his father because Gendo already played Kaworu like a fiddle.


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If I see one more fucking idiot use "Until You Come To Me" as official canon material, I'm gonna blow my Gods damned brains out.


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