Quote from: MarKhan on July 07, 2018, 01:23:31 PM I'm surprised that nobody brought this up yet, but veganism is not a perfect solution. Veganism saves animals at the cost of killing plants. Well, so what is the problem with this? The problem is that we showing preference for animals over plants. Reason why it`s acceptable is that plants are harder to extinquish than animals and we extinquished quite a lot of animals in the past, but that doesn`t mean that plants are impossible to extinquish and world is not set in stone. There might come time when we have to kill animals in order to save plants, which brings me to second point: Being vegan or not being vegan is fine as long as you don`t extinquish either animals or plants. We just happen to live in time when animals are closer to dying than plants.I don't think we'll ever have to worry about fruit and vegetable-bearing plants going extinct. They're incredibly easy to regrow, and I think we've been doing a pretty good job overall with that. You're right in saying it's not perfect, but I just don't foresee it becoming a serious issue, even in the distant future.It's good that you're thinking about these things, and being an environmentalist is a good idea in general, but when it comes to saving plants, I think environmentalists are more concerned with things like deforestation and hydraulic fracturing and stuff, not edible plants (and fungi).I'm more concerned about animals because they suffer, whereas plants don't. That's all I really care about right now.
I'm surprised that nobody brought this up yet, but veganism is not a perfect solution. Veganism saves animals at the cost of killing plants. Well, so what is the problem with this? The problem is that we showing preference for animals over plants. Reason why it`s acceptable is that plants are harder to extinquish than animals and we extinquished quite a lot of animals in the past, but that doesn`t mean that plants are impossible to extinquish and world is not set in stone. There might come time when we have to kill animals in order to save plants, which brings me to second point: Being vegan or not being vegan is fine as long as you don`t extinquish either animals or plants. We just happen to live in time when animals are closer to dying than plants.
Quote from: MarKhan on July 07, 2018, 01:51:54 PMI see another logic inconsistency - you are proposing us veganism, main purpose of which is to save animals and the next thing you say is that it`s better to kill everything. Well, then I really don`t see any other reason for this thread to exist outside of "the sake of argument", "simulation purposes", where you try to attain higher moral ground over people who aren`t vegans and thats basically a hypocrisy.I don't see how it's a hypocrisy, if you could explain that for me.While I do believe that life is better off not existing, I still have to come to terms with the fact it does exist.The best thing about life is that it is possible to change it for the better. So, while I'd prefer life not to exist at all, it can't be helped—the next best thing for me to try to do, then, is to do my part in spreading the word about all the things I believe will make the world a better place to live in.It's not hypocrisy, it's pragmatism. I realize I'm not going to get what I want out of this life, so I work with what I have.
I see another logic inconsistency - you are proposing us veganism, main purpose of which is to save animals and the next thing you say is that it`s better to kill everything. Well, then I really don`t see any other reason for this thread to exist outside of "the sake of argument", "simulation purposes", where you try to attain higher moral ground over people who aren`t vegans and thats basically a hypocrisy.
Quote from: MarKhan on July 07, 2018, 02:02:25 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 07, 2018, 01:51:40 PMQuote from: MarKhan on July 07, 2018, 01:23:31 PM I'm surprised that nobody brought this up yet, but veganism is not a perfect solution. Veganism saves animals at the cost of killing plants. Well, so what is the problem with this? The problem is that we showing preference for animals over plants. Reason why it`s acceptable is that plants are harder to extinquish than animals and we extinquished quite a lot of animals in the past, but that doesn`t mean that plants are impossible to extinquish and world is not set in stone. There might come time when we have to kill animals in order to save plants, which brings me to second point: Being vegan or not being vegan is fine as long as you don`t extinquish either animals or plants. We just happen to live in time when animals are closer to dying than plants.How the hell are we gonna extinguish plants we literally grow them. Cows, pigs, and chickens are also nowhere near extinction.Oh, thats not that hard if there will be much much more animals. In fact, some forests on our planet are already gone due to people cutting them to gain money for example and build there some stuff on it`s place.Deforestation doesn't have have much to do with growing fruits and vegetables. In fact a lot of it is hydroponic these days.
Quote from: challengerX on July 07, 2018, 01:51:40 PMQuote from: MarKhan on July 07, 2018, 01:23:31 PM I'm surprised that nobody brought this up yet, but veganism is not a perfect solution. Veganism saves animals at the cost of killing plants. Well, so what is the problem with this? The problem is that we showing preference for animals over plants. Reason why it`s acceptable is that plants are harder to extinquish than animals and we extinquished quite a lot of animals in the past, but that doesn`t mean that plants are impossible to extinquish and world is not set in stone. There might come time when we have to kill animals in order to save plants, which brings me to second point: Being vegan or not being vegan is fine as long as you don`t extinquish either animals or plants. We just happen to live in time when animals are closer to dying than plants.How the hell are we gonna extinguish plants we literally grow them. Cows, pigs, and chickens are also nowhere near extinction.Oh, thats not that hard if there will be much much more animals. In fact, some forests on our planet are already gone due to people cutting them to gain money for example and build there some stuff on it`s place.
Quote from: MarKhan on July 07, 2018, 01:23:31 PM I'm surprised that nobody brought this up yet, but veganism is not a perfect solution. Veganism saves animals at the cost of killing plants. Well, so what is the problem with this? The problem is that we showing preference for animals over plants. Reason why it`s acceptable is that plants are harder to extinquish than animals and we extinquished quite a lot of animals in the past, but that doesn`t mean that plants are impossible to extinquish and world is not set in stone. There might come time when we have to kill animals in order to save plants, which brings me to second point: Being vegan or not being vegan is fine as long as you don`t extinquish either animals or plants. We just happen to live in time when animals are closer to dying than plants.How the hell are we gonna extinguish plants we literally grow them. Cows, pigs, and chickens are also nowhere near extinction.
Also I told you already you're using ` instead of '. It's two different symbols with different meanings. I won't knock on the fact that you have trouble constructing a sentence in English but it's like you don't give a fuck that you're doing it wrong.
It depends on what you define as killing off everything. If by that we mean to kill of every single person, animal or plant, we can just continuosly nuke same place over and over again until our nukes reach magnetic core of Earth and disrupt it, which cause magnetic field of Earth to dissapear and everything to die from radiation sooner or later, well almost everything. Some things will survive and adapt to new conditions. It`s however, a temporary solution, it probably be enough to put our planet down long enough until Sun explode or whatever happens to it.Well, we might create a black hole, but it`s unreliable solution either, because no one knows how it works. I can only say that living or being in it, if it`s possible, will be different from your or any other human definition of word "living" or "being" so that accomplishes goal of destroying everything living.
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Well, we might create a black hole, but it`s unreliable solution either, because no one knows how it works
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Quote from: MarKhan on July 07, 2018, 01:40:15 PMIt depends on what you define as killing off everything. If by that we mean to kill of every single person, animal or plant, we can just continuosly nuke same place over and over again until our nukes reach magnetic core of Earth and disrupt it, which cause magnetic field of Earth to dissapear and everything to die from radiation sooner or later, well almost everything. Some things will survive and adapt to new conditions. It`s however, a temporary solution, it probably be enough to put our planet down long enough until Sun explode or whatever happens to it.Well, we might create a black hole, but it`s unreliable solution either, because no one knows how it works. I can only say that living or being in it, if it`s possible, will be different from your or any other human definition of word "living" or "being" so that accomplishes goal of destroying everything living. Quotecontinuosly nuke same place over and over again until our nukes reach magnetic core of Earth and disrupt it, which cause magnetic field of Earth to dissapear and everything to die from radiation sooner or laterQuoteuntil our nukes reach magnetic core of Earth and disrupt itQuoteWell, we might create a black hole, but it`s unreliable solution either, because no one knows how it worksQuote we might create a black holetake a long hard look at what you just wrote and think about what you actually just said
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