Quote from: Sam on March 17, 2016, 06:17:51 PM

jesus christ lol
This is such a popular topic here it's almost sad (luckily it's only one person starting it each time though)

We have a mandatory 10 page thread once a month. As expected, nothing ever changes.

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]And you're perpetuating it. Good job, dumb high school kid who's going to grow out of this phase in two years.

Except I have said time and time again in this thread that I do not hate transgenders and what I disagree with that the fictionalized thinking that the community is imposing on society

I've said over and over that you can be whatever you want
What I think doesn't matter
But do not force society to accept your view and then ostracize them if they don't
 
See
If you disagree with a victimized group, you instantly labeled as a hating closed minded bigot
The only people who say that I hate transgender people are the people arguing against me in this thread
I've never said it
In fact, I've said the opposite
I want transgender people to live happy lives

But nooooo, I'm obviously some ignorant bigot because I disagree with you right?

Also I want to address something you said earlier

Yes, if you don't accept them, I think you should be shot in the head

Funny how tolerance is a one way street right?
I should tolerate your ideas but if I disagree with you, I should be shot

So we should respect that.

Unless your ideas don't coincide with mine of course 

I wasn't talking about the specific procedure for SRS you idiot I was talking about the fact that this "it's a cure" boogeyman you're so fucking concerned about is a figment of your imagination. Therapists and endocrinologists actively discourage the idea that HRT will fix your problems.

No the trans community don't see a problem at all
They pretend there's nothing wrong with the mind
I'm saying cure as in making them mentally normal again
And in order to make something normal, you have to admit that it's abnormal
And the transgender movement has made it so that we're not allowed to admit there's a problem anymore

Estrogen and testosterone intrinsically effect your mood and state of mind you fucking idiot.

Yes let's fuck up their head even more shall we

This thread makes me sad.

If someone has schizophrenia and thinks the TV is talking to them, you don't say "yes you're right the tv is talking to you"
You would bring attention to the problem and try to help them
Classifying something as a mental illness doesn't mean you hate them

WOW, it's almost like schizophrenia and gender dysphoria are two completely different disorders

in that schizophrenia is actually extremely detrimental in a variety of ways
and being transgender harms NO ONE

*cis "non-delusional" lives where they drown dysphoria in antidepressants (unless you have an actual alternative that isn't hypothetical and "guys we uh just need to research it and we'll totally find the cure because I'm convinced it exists despite no empirical grounds to that being readily achievable)

Like I said, the main problem for me is the fictionalized thinking that they're forcing on society

The only reason I don't care much for what they actually do in their own time is because they're socially functional
I've said why transgenderism is bullshit and why I want people to pursue a solution
But at the end of it all, if you want to live in your delusion, that's fine
Just don't force society to accept your subjective truth as objective

And do you know how stupid you sound saying cis?
The fact that a biologically and mentally normal person needs to be placed in a category just shows such much the "tolerance" movement has fucked up society   

Quote from: eggsalad on March 17, 2016, 10:33:29 PM

*cis "non-delusional" lives where they drown dysphoria in antidepressants (unless you have an actual alternative that isn't hypothetical and "guys we uh just need to research it and we'll totally find the cure because I'm convinced it exists despite no empirical grounds to that being readily achievable)

Like I said, the main problem for me is the fictionalized thinking that they're forcing on society

The only reason I don't care much for what they actually do in their own time is because they're socially functional
I've said why transgenderism is bullshit and why I want people to pursue a solution
But at the end of it all, if you want to live in your delusion, that's fine
Just don't force society to accept your subjective truth as objective

And do you know how stupid you sound saying cis?
The fact that a biologically and mentally normal person needs to be placed in a category just shows such much the "tolerance" movement has fucked up society

I'm sorry you have trouble with basic vocab.

But for the millionth time, you cannot bring your subjective truth to society and force them to accept you
It is immoral and hurts social health

You and everyone with your sick mentality are all going to die and be grandfathered out of existence within the next century.

How does that make you feel?

Unless of course your definition of "ability to function in society" includes procreative sex, in which case you're entering full retard.

We should look into viable treatments and destroy this thought that it is something that is completely normal

No one is saying it's normal. It's obviously a malfunction that happens at birth. Ignoring the issue until this magical cure that will never exist comes along and makes everything right is going to do any good. It's not like accepting trans people somehow encourages it. And transphobia is obviously a big problem that they face which just makes their life harder. There's no harm that can rationally be attributed to encouraging an accepting society.

Telling people they should be shot in the head? Way to be civil Verb. Insults and being a general asshole aren't going to result in intelligent discussion. At least Inglorious hasn't been as immature as you.

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on March 17, 2016, 11:50:39 PM

Way to be civil Verb.

Insults and being a general asshole aren't going to result in intelligent discussion.

>intelligent discussion
>The Flood

lol

Eh, still. The discussion Inglorious and Verb are having is serious in nature, and Verb is behaving like a child. Despite this, he is behaving in his usual arrogant, self-righteous manner and behaving as though Inglorious is the one who is being immature.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 17, 2016, 11:21:04 AM

It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?

analogy is slightly flawed because depression isnt caused by an imbalance, or more specifically, low serotonin.

 there is no evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin. that's a myth perpetuated by psychiatry and used as a marketing tool, but is completely unfounded. the only way to test serotonin levels would be to do a spinal tap, which would be pointless because the amount of serotonin in the brain isn't relevant to depression.

all anti-depressant medications do is stop the reuptake of serotonin, so that you have more available. they don't correct any percieved "imbalance" because there isn't one.

It's funny how a paper I've been reading for my major talks about how the serotonin receptor has some linkage to depression and suicide. What you said is then false.

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Does anyone have any evidence of there being a suppression of research into dysphoria-nullifying drugs? i.e. something that would "make the feelings go away" in contrast with transgenderism. i still don't understand why people say "we should be researching this and clearly something would be found" if they're not experts in the research area and if they haven't already checked to see what has been done

No. It's a baseless, pseudoscientific claim rooted in intolerance, frankly. I've poked holes in it before on here, which never gets responded to, but nonetheless people keep believing it.