But, that is a literal problem, to hampers your quality of life, therefore, if the means are available to fix said problem, good, Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.
mental illness IS normalit's just a fact of life that some people are mentally ill--and we can find cures and remedies for it allit just so happens that the best cure for gender dysphoria is acceptance, and allowing people to live their lives however they wish
Why do people have to be content with their biologically assigned sex, anyway? Why is it so important for men to be men and women to be women? What is the problem with people changing their sex at will? Why does it matter?
Sex =/= Gender.Sex is whether you are physically male with a penis, or physically female with a vagina.Gender is all in your head.
It's not that they WANT to be the opposite gender. They FEEL that they ARE the opposite gender.So we should respect that.
it's just a fact of life that some people are mentally ill--and we can find cures and remedies for it allit just so happens that the best cure for gender dysphoria is acceptance, and allowing people to live their lives however they wish
wtf even is a transgender community? It's such a bullshit term. If you're referring to a group of mentally disabled people just say 'It's highly damaging to the cross-dressers / drag-queens / ladyboys / fimbles etc etc'. Don't use community, it's not fucking reddit.
It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?
There is no problem with self definition You can be a fucking bowl of noodles for all I care What you what to think is what you want to thinkBut do not impose on society fictionalized thinking Because then the bowls of noodles will want society to accept them And then truth becomes subjective truth and that is not a society I want to live in
Except it's not The annual suicide rate for transgenders is O.8% The ONLY comparable suicide rate in history is Jews living under Nazi ruleIf you're telling me that society today treats transgenders as bad as Nazis did to Jews, then go fuck yourself
First, you're confusing Gender with Sex. Sex is the biology you were born with, gender is a social construct on how you are supposed to behave as on sex or the other.
For example, there is no reason why men aren't supposed to wear pink, or dresses. Or pink dresses. Biologically speaking, our bodies are indifferent to how we dress, so ling as it's appropriate for the weather. So why are something as simple as clothes sex specific. The answer is they are not. Types of clothes have been linked to gender by societal norms.
Now, there is a physical difference in many transgendered people. When autopsies are done, there is a difference in the physical structure of the brain. M to F transgendered are found to have the type of brain that is normally found in females. Believe it or not, men and women's brains are wired and structured differently. Now, not all transgendered have this. It is believed that there are indeed different types of transgendered. There could be ones stemming from hormonal imbalances, mental trauma or biological differences. This is why there is a screening process in place to determine who can have the reassignment surgery and who can not.
But people are suffering from this. Why shame them by saying they are defective or weak when there is an option that doesn't effect you and makes them feel better? Do you have anything other than shaming them to say why it shouldn't be done?Or do you just find the thought icky and don't want it in "your" society? If it's this, get over yourself. You aren't that important.
Do you have ANY data showing regret after having the surgery?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/[/url]
How did you take what Verb said and end up jumping to this?
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Transgenderism is a treatment. Not that hard to distinguish the two. If you have a problem with transgenderism, at least call it malpractice or something that would make sense.
Because medication actually cures depression
Or at least it helps the victim long enough for them to get out of it on their own
Hormone therapy and surgery is NOT the cure
The suicide rate pre and post op is exactly the same for transgender people
So it is not the solution
But it is stopping the look for a cure because now the surgery is glorified as the solution thus stopping the search for an actual cure
Quote from: Tsirist on March 17, 2016, 01:51:14 PMGender dysphoria is a mental illness. Transgenderism is a treatment. Not that hard to distinguish the two. If you have a problem with transgenderism, at least call it malpractice or something that would make sense.Ok sure Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that we are normalizing
I don't understand why people are surprised to find differences in the brain of people with mental illness
Because he thinks the cure to transgenderism is acceptance, implying that the problem plaguing transgenders is social violence And I'm saying that it's notThe problem is in their heads
Quote from: Memerick on March 17, 2016, 05:11:52 PMhttp://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/[/url]I don't understand why people are surprised to find differences in the brain of people with mental illnessQuoteHow did you take what Verb said and end up jumping to this?Because he thinks the cure to transgenderism is acceptance, implying that the problem plaguing transgenders is social violence And I'm saying that it's notThe problem is in their heads
wouldn't it be easier to just correct the chemical imbalance that makes them feel like they're a different gender? surely you would be more comfortable with your gender if you had the sexual organs to go with it right?
Quote from: gatsby on March 17, 2016, 05:38:12 PMwouldn't it be easier to just correct the chemical imbalance that makes them feel like they're a different gender? surely you would be more comfortable with your gender if you had the sexual organs to go with it right?surely it woulddo you know how to do that?
Quote from: Tsirist on March 17, 2016, 05:39:39 PMQuote from: gatsby on March 17, 2016, 05:38:12 PMwouldn't it be easier to just correct the chemical imbalance that makes them feel like they're a different gender? surely you would be more comfortable with your gender if you had the sexual organs to go with it right?surely it woulddo you know how to do that?i dunno maybe start funding research into it
Quote from: Mad Max on March 17, 2016, 04:28:33 PMI love when Sep7 tries to talk about transgenderism.I love how this is all you can ever say when there's a thread like this.
I love when Sep7 tries to talk about transgenderism.
jesus christ lolThis is such a popular topic here it's almost sad (luckily it's only one person starting it each time though)
Quote from: Sam on March 17, 2016, 06:17:51 PMjesus christ lolThis is such a popular topic here it's almost sad (luckily it's only one person starting it each time though)We have a mandatory 10 page thread once a month. As expected, nothing ever changes.
This is why there is a screening process in place to determine who can have the reassignment surgery and who can not.
Quote from: Prime X on March 17, 2016, 07:58:34 PMQuote from: Sam on March 17, 2016, 06:17:51 PMjesus christ lolThis is such a popular topic here it's almost sad (luckily it's only one person starting it each time though)We have a mandatory 10 page thread once a month. As expected, nothing ever changes.But the saphire thread filled that quota by twice the amount. This thread's adding triple the stack on top of that.INFLATION.
No it doesn't.Wait are you saying that treatments aren't 100% effective just by taking a pill? By your logic it seems we should discontinue it because as long as this treatments exists, there isn't incentive to create something more effective and permanent.
No one treats it like it's a cure. The professionals in the industry actively try to hammer it into your head that it is nowhere near a cure. You think this because you lack any experience or knowledge of the process.
SRS =/= HRT. HRT is a much larger component as social transition is often the far more important aspect to healthy mental function. Most trans people don't get SRS. My only guess as to why you put such emphasis on SRS over HRT is because either you only have data to suit your argument in the case of SRS comparison, and/or you simply don't understand the difference between the two treatments.
It's the current best, stopping doing it now would be just worsen the conditions these people face.
Failing to provide care because you accept nothing but perfection is asinine.Can you provide evidence that the current process is "halting the search for a cure" in any other way than the absence of a situation in which we have no treatment creating more incentive for R&D?
Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 17, 2016, 05:29:39 PMQuote from: Tsirist on March 17, 2016, 01:51:14 PMGender dysphoria is a mental illness. Transgenderism is a treatment. Not that hard to distinguish the two. If you have a problem with transgenderism, at least call it malpractice or something that would make sense.Ok sure Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that we are normalizingWhat do you mean by normalizing?
You were the one acting like there's no basis for gender dysphoria, comparing it to identifying as a bowl of noodles
And treating them like social outcasts is preferable?
Yeah bro they're just imagining those violence and homicide statistics.
any evidence that it's not already being researched? i would be very much surprised if it weren't, but perhaps the science has suggested that it simply is not a viable route (i don't know if any conclusions like that have been made)
Transgenderism Is A Mental Disease
