Transgenderism Is A Mental Disease

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.

The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.

And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?

Solonoid · March 17, 2016, 01:08:45 PM

Quote from: True Turquoise on March 17, 2016, 11:30:43 AM

But all the trans people I know have eyebrows on fleek

tru knows what's important

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.
And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?

They should accept it.
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

Sandtrap · March 17, 2016, 01:15:46 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.
And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?
They should accept it.
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

Really poor example, since if you were born Canadian but don't really feel up towards being a Canadian citizen you could always just move countries and become an official citizen of another country.

Boom roasted.

Mr. Psychologist · March 17, 2016, 01:15:56 PM

Quote from: Dan on March 17, 2016, 12:46:09 PM

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on March 17, 2016, 12:28:49 PM
Anti-psychiatry is a silly stance for people to take, especially in the face of a plethora of evidence supporting it.
I wouldn't say I'm anti-psychiatry. I can agree that getting help from one can be helpful for those with extreme acute issues that could only be resolved with intervention. However, taking medication for chronic and less severe issues over long-term isn't ideal. Especially since they don't cure disorders, they simply give symtomatic relief.

Not to mention a lot of psychiatric drugs come with side-effects that are often worse than the problem the patient came in with in the first place. SSRI's have been shown to only be slightly more effective than placebo at reducing symptoms of depression. The risk isn't worth it considering the benefit is minimal at best, especially if the person has mild-moderate depression.

Health should be about being able to recognize what is it in that person's environment that's causing a person to feel depressed in the first place, and being able to get help to solve those problems rather than blaming it on a "chemical imbalance" and ignoring the issues in the person's life. The person's nutrition, diet and lifestyle are also big factors. That's what psychiatry should focus more on.

It can be a good idea though, as a preventative measure to keep the chronic issue in check whilst it is resolved by other means. The meds aren't a one shot cure, they are the treatment to get someone up to the point where they can engage with talking therapies for long term improvement.

I do agree though, but generally that's becoming more of psychology's field than psychiatry. Not to say that you can't get both of them on the same page, but you'd find a psychologist doing that kind of work with a patient more often than a psychiatrist <.<

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM

They should accept it.

Why?

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"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

Then you can move to a different country, you dumb fucking cunt.

MyNameIsCharlie · March 17, 2016, 01:19:10 PM

First, you're confusing Gender with Sex. Sex is the biology you were born with, gender is a social construct on how you are supposed to behave as on sex or the other.

For example, there is no reason why men aren't supposed to wear pink, or dresses. Or pink dresses. Biologically speaking, our bodies are indifferent to how we dress, so ling as it's appropriate for the weather. So why are something as simple as clothes sex specific. The answer is they are not. Types of clothes have been linked to gender by societal norms.

Now, there is a physical difference in many transgendered people. When autopsies are done, there is a difference in the physical structure of the brain. M to F transgendered are found to have the type of brain that is normally found in females. Believe it or not, men and women's brains are wired and structured differently.

Now, not all transgendered have this. It is believed that there are indeed different types of transgendered. There could be ones stemming from hormonal imbalances, mental trauma or biological differences. This is why there is a screening process in place to determine who can have the reassignment surgery and who can not.

It's a new field tgat is being studied, but not for long enough. Much of the data is still missing.

But people are suffering from this. Why shame them by saying they are defective or weak when there is an option that doesn't effect you and makes them feel better? Do you have ANY data showing regret after having the surgery? Do you have anything other than shaming them to say why it shouldn't be done?

Or do you just find the thought icky and don't want it in "your" society? If it's this, get over yourself. You aren't that important.

Sandtrap · March 17, 2016, 01:20:13 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.
And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?
They should accept it.
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

And second point here. Let's apply this logic to another case.

Let's say you're a baby born with leg stumps. But you can get those nifty leg prosthetics.

Are we gonna say "Lol no fuck you, you should just accept having no legs because that's how you were born."

Naru · March 17, 2016, 01:21:25 PM

Quote from: True Turquoise on March 17, 2016, 11:30:43 AM

But all the trans people I know have eyebrows on fleek

im not fucking trans you fuck

True Turquoise · March 17, 2016, 01:21:56 PM

Quote from: Narusaur on March 17, 2016, 01:21:25 PM

Quote from: True Turquoise on March 17, 2016, 11:30:43 AM
But all the trans people I know have eyebrows on fleek

im not fucking trans you fuck

you will be when I'm through with you

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 01:22:09 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
They should accept it.
Why?
Quote
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....
Then you can move to a different country, you dumb fucking cunt.

So We should be forced to accept them? when they are too lazy to accept themselves...

The example I used was lacking,
"Oh, I was born White, But I don't want to be White"...

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 01:20:13 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.
And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?
They should accept it.
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

And second point here. Let's apply this logic to another case.

Let's say you're a baby born with leg stumps. But you can get those nifty leg prosthetics.

Are we gonna say "Lol no fuck you, you should just accept having no legs because that's how you were born."

But, that is a literal problem, to hampers your quality of life, therefore, if the means are available to fix said problem, good, Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.

Solonoid · March 17, 2016, 01:25:31 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:22:09 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
They should accept it.
Why?
Quote
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....
Then you can move to a different country, you dumb fucking cunt.
So We should be forced to accept them? when they are too lazy to accept themselves...

The example I used was lacking,
"Oh, I was born White, But I don't want to be White"...

All you have to do is be a nigger.

Problem with this is it implies that the color of your skin carries anywhere near the implications that your gender carries.

Also, are all you niggers really chomping this hard at the bait?

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 01:26:19 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:22:09 PM

So We should be forced to accept them? when they are too lazy to accept themselves...

They are accepting themselves by identifying as transgender. Yes, if you don't accept them, I think you should be shot in the head, because you're way too fucking dumb to be welcome in the 21st century.

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The example I used was lacking,
"Oh, I was born White, But I don't want to be White"...

It's not that they WANT to be the opposite gender. They FEEL that they ARE the opposite gender.

So we should respect that.

eggsalad · March 17, 2016, 01:28:10 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:24:17 PM

Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.

So you don't believe that mental illness causes suicide?

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 01:30:23 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:26:19 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:22:09 PM
So We should be forced to accept them? when they are too lazy to accept themselves...
They are accepting themselves by identifying as transgender. Yes, if you don't accept them, I think you should be shot in the head, because you're way too fucking dumb to be welcome in the 21st century.

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The example I used was lacking,
"Oh, I was born White, But I don't want to be White"...
It's not that they WANT to be the opposite gender. They FEEL that they ARE the opposite gender.

So we should respect that.

I just think it's rather hypocritical that they want us to accept them, yet won't accept themselves for the Biological Gender they are.

Feeling and being are two different things.

Btw - this is a debate, I never said I had any prejudices against them, You assumed that. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy,

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 01:32:54 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on March 17, 2016, 01:28:10 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.
So you don't believe that mental illness causes suicide?

I already preemptively countered your argument, by saying "It is not a health problem in it's self, You won't suddenly have heart failure if you don't magically switch to the other gender, while it can have other implications, that result from said wishes, in its self it is not a health problem,

Sandtrap · March 17, 2016, 01:33:55 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.
And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?
They should accept it.
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

And second point here. Let's apply this logic to another case.

Let's say you're a baby born with leg stumps. But you can get those nifty leg prosthetics.

Are we gonna say "Lol no fuck you, you should just accept having no legs because that's how you were born."
But, that is a literal problem, to hampers your quality of life, therefore, if the means are available to fix said problem, good, Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.

Matey if you've talked to the folks I have you'd recognize that what you said is a load of bullshit. Everything we are and everything we're comfortable with comes from our brain. If your brain is having issues of that caliber then simply telling it to stop doesn't just cut it. It eats away at people. Like depression, emotional trauma, addictions, you name it.

And like depression, or emotional trauma, or addictions, there's measures that can be taken to help people overcome their problems.

So if you have a solution that shows itself as being a method of treatment, then why not use said solution? It's there. It helps. So why throw it away?

eggsalad · March 17, 2016, 01:34:12 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:32:54 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on March 17, 2016, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.
So you don't believe that mental illness causes suicide?
I already preemptively countered your argument, by saying "It is not a health problem in it's self, You won't suddenly have heart failure if you don't magically switch to the other gender, while it can have other implications, that result from said wishes, in its self it is not a health problem,

Well that's a really misleading and disingenuous way of representing it, but you're not wrong. Yeah, you don't just drop dead. You experience severe depression until you inevitably kill yourself.

Sandtrap · March 17, 2016, 01:35:15 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:22:09 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
They should accept it.
Why?
Quote
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....
Then you can move to a different country, you dumb fucking cunt.
So We should be forced to accept them? when they are too lazy to accept themselves...

The example I used was lacking,
"Oh, I was born White, But I don't want to be White"...

You're forgetting that Michal Jackson was a person mate.

He wasn't always a spooky ghost. And he sure had a lot of fans.

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 01:36:14 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:30:23 PM

I just think it's rather hypocritical that they want us to accept them, yet won't accept themselves for the Biological Gender they are.

Sex =/= Gender.

Sex is whether you are physically male with a penis, or physically female with a vagina.

Gender is all in your head.

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Feeling and being are two different things.

Gender and sex are two different things.

Your gender does not have to align with your sex.

Therefore, you can be biologically male, yet feel in your mind and in your heart that you are female.

Therefore, you are female. What they decide to do with that information is up to them, but they should be able to get a sex change if that makes them feel more comfortable in their own skin. People like you are living in the fucking stone ages.

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 01:33:55 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.
And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?
They should accept it.
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

And second point here. Let's apply this logic to another case.

Let's say you're a baby born with leg stumps. But you can get those nifty leg prosthetics.

Are we gonna say "Lol no fuck you, you should just accept having no legs because that's how you were born."
But, that is a literal problem, to hampers your quality of life, therefore, if the means are available to fix said problem, good, Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.

Matey if you've talked to the folks I have you'd recognize that what you said is a load of bullshit. Everything we are and everything we're comfortable with comes from our brain. If your brain is having issues of that caliber then simply telling it to stop doesn't just cut it. It eats away at people. Like depression, emotional trauma, addictions, you name it.

And like depression, or emotional trauma, or addictions, there's measures that can be taken to help people overcome their problems.

So if you have a solution that shows itself as being a method of treatment, then why not use said solution? It's there. It helps. So why throw it away?

Well, I've ran out of material to debate this, Can't think of anything else at the moment, so consider this a temporary victory. This applies to the rest of yous, Now I can get back to Halo.

Sandtrap · March 17, 2016, 01:39:22 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
they should accept themselves for what they are
And what they are is transgender.
The Gender they are BORN with, not imaginary crap.
And if someone doesn't feel comfortable with the "gender they are born with?"

Fuck them, right?
They should accept it.
"Oh no I was born Canadian, but I don't wanna be Canadian"....

And second point here. Let's apply this logic to another case.

Let's say you're a baby born with leg stumps. But you can get those nifty leg prosthetics.

Are we gonna say "Lol no fuck you, you should just accept having no legs because that's how you were born."
But, that is a literal problem, to hampers your quality of life, therefore, if the means are available to fix said problem, good, Wanting to be another Gender is not a Health problem in its self, you can live with that.

Matey if you've talked to the folks I have you'd recognize that what you said is a load of bullshit. Everything we are and everything we're comfortable with comes from our brain. If your brain is having issues of that caliber then simply telling it to stop doesn't just cut it. It eats away at people. Like depression, emotional trauma, addictions, you name it.

And like depression, or emotional trauma, or addictions, there's measures that can be taken to help people overcome their problems.

So if you have a solution that shows itself as being a method of treatment, then why not use said solution? It's there. It helps. So why throw it away?
Well, I've ran out of material to debate this, Can't think of anything else at the moment, so consider this a temporary victory.

I'm going to mark this internet victory in my logbook of life achievements.

Tsirist · March 17, 2016, 01:51:14 PM

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Transgenderism is a treatment. Not that hard to distinguish the two. If you have a problem with transgenderism, at least call it malpractice or something that would make sense.

challengerX · March 17, 2016, 02:33:02 PM

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i am karjala takaisin · March 17, 2016, 03:38:47 PM

UAV online

March 17, 2016, 03:42:03 PM

Tactical Nuke Incoming!

Mad Max · March 17, 2016, 04:28:33 PM

I love when Sep7 tries to talk about transgenderism.

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