Transgenderism Is A Mental Disease

Ingy · March 17, 2016, 10:26:46 AM

And we have normalized it

Sandtrap · March 17, 2016, 10:29:36 AM

You know, let's skip some time and just say that the human condition is a mental disorder.

There. Now everybody is special and uniquely retarded in their own way, and will forever have something to use against other people when they complain.

And we have normalized it.

challengerX · March 17, 2016, 10:29:49 AM

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Ingy · March 17, 2016, 10:36:57 AM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 10:29:36 AM

You know, let's skip some time and just say that the human condition is a mental disorder.

There. Now everybody is special and uniquely retarded in their own way, and will forever have something to use against other people when they complain.

And we have normalized it.

What the fuck is the human condition

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 10:39:01 AM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 17, 2016, 10:36:57 AM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 10:29:36 AM
You know, let's skip some time and just say that the human condition is a mental disorder.

There. Now everybody is special and uniquely retarded in their own way, and will forever have something to use against other people when they complain.

And we have normalized it.
What the fuck is the human condition

What the fuck is "normalize"

Blonic the Fluxmeister · March 17, 2016, 10:42:02 AM

Considering it's some issue arising from a biological process, I'd agree.

MyNameIsCharlie · March 17, 2016, 10:56:13 AM

Are you saying you are sick and it's not your fault? Just go get the surgery

Ingy · March 17, 2016, 10:57:30 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 10:39:01 AM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 17, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: Sandtrap on March 17, 2016, 10:29:36 AM
You know, let's skip some time and just say that the human condition is a mental disorder.

There. Now everybody is special and uniquely retarded in their own way, and will forever have something to use against other people when they complain.

And we have normalized it.
What the fuck is the human condition
What the fuck is "normalize"

It's when something taboo is made to seem normal

In the case of transgenderism, cutting off your dick and calling yourself a girl is now considered socially acceptable

Ingy · March 17, 2016, 10:58:59 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on March 17, 2016, 10:56:13 AM

Are you saying you are sick and it's not your fault? Just go get the surgery

This is probably the biggest mistake out there

The surgery is NOT a cure

In fact, it stops people from continuing to look for a cure which is highly damaging to the transgender community

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 11:01:22 AM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 17, 2016, 10:57:30 AM

In the case of transgenderism, cutting off your dick and calling yourself a girl is now considered socially acceptable

and this is a bad thing how

eggsalad · March 17, 2016, 11:04:17 AM

they dont even cut off the dick dork

CrunchTime420 · March 17, 2016, 11:05:14 AM

gr8 b8 m8

Ingy · March 17, 2016, 11:05:32 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 11:01:22 AM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 17, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
In the case of transgenderism, cutting off your dick and calling yourself a girl is now considered socially acceptable
and this is a bad thing how

That in of itself is not what's the problem

You want to cut off your dick, that's your business

But then forcing society to accept you and imposing your ideals onto society is socially damaging

We're really going to teach and even glorify to kids that mental illness is normal?

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 11:09:34 AM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 17, 2016, 11:05:32 AM

But then forcing society to accept you and imposing your ideals onto society is socially damaging

We're really going to teach and even glorify to kids that mental illness is normal?

mental illness IS normal

it's just a fact of life that some people are mentally ill--and we can find cures and remedies for it all

it just so happens that the best cure for gender dysphoria is acceptance, and allowing people to live their lives however they wish

OnionBeetle · March 17, 2016, 11:10:07 AM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 17, 2016, 10:58:59 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on March 17, 2016, 10:56:13 AM
Are you saying you are sick and it's not your fault? Just go get the surgery

This is probably the biggest mistake out there

The surgery is NOT a cure

In fact, it stops people from continuing to look for a cure which is highly damaging to the transgender community

wtf even is a transgender community?

It's such a bullshit term. If you're referring to a group of mentally disabled people just say 'It's highly damaging to the cross-dressers / drag-queens / ladyboys / fimbles etc etc'. Don't use community, it's not fucking reddit.

Yu · March 17, 2016, 11:15:17 AM

Oh you.

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 11:17:45 AM

Why do people have to be content with their biologically assigned sex, anyway? Why is it so important for men to be men and women to be women? What is the problem with people changing their sex at will? Why does it matter?

Turkey · March 17, 2016, 11:21:04 AM

It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?

eggsalad · March 17, 2016, 11:26:56 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 17, 2016, 11:21:04 AM

It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?

Step 1: Make erroneous comparison to other dysmorphic disorders.
Step 2: Fail to compare the differing bodily health consequences.
Step 3: Accommodating illness bad!

Turkey · March 17, 2016, 11:29:02 AM

Quote from: eggsalad on March 17, 2016, 11:26:56 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 17, 2016, 11:21:04 AM
It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?
Step 1: Make erroneous comparison to other dysmorphic disorders.
Step 2: Fail to compare the differing bodily health consequences.
Step 3: Accommodating illness bad!

Say that again, but this time cogently.

Yu · March 17, 2016, 11:30:04 AM

Oh boy Egg joins the fray.

True Turquoise · March 17, 2016, 11:30:43 AM

But all the trans people I know have eyebrows on fleek

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Dan · March 17, 2016, 11:52:23 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 17, 2016, 11:21:04 AM

It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?

analogy is slightly flawed because depression isnt caused by an imbalance, or more specifically, low serotonin.

there is no evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin. that's a myth perpetuated by psychiatry and used as a marketing tool, but is completely unfounded. the only way to test serotonin levels would be to do a spinal tap, which would be pointless because the amount of serotonin in the brain isn't relevant to depression.

all anti-depressant medications do is stop the reuptake of serotonin, so that you have more available. they don't correct any percieved "imbalance" because there isn't one.

Onyx Sentinel · March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 17, 2016, 11:17:45 AM

Why do people have to be content with their biologically assigned sex, anyway? Why is it so important for men to be men and women to be women? What is the problem with people changing their sex at will? Why does it matter?

Because that is literally retarded, "changing sex at will" - We shouldn't be forced to accept all the Bull that comes from them, they should accept themselves for what they are, not run away like a coward (change sex).

Turkey · March 17, 2016, 11:58:14 AM

Quote from: Dan on March 17, 2016, 11:52:23 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 17, 2016, 11:21:04 AM
It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?
analogy is slightly flawed because depression isnt caused by an imbalance, or more specifically, low serotonin.

there is no evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin.

I didn't say it was caused by a chemical imbalance, and neither is the hypothetical disorder of transgenderism caused by not having the incorrect genitals. Both are merely a treatment for a condition.

Mr. Psychologist · March 17, 2016, 12:28:49 PM

Quote from: Dan on March 17, 2016, 11:52:23 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 17, 2016, 11:21:04 AM
It isn't, but just for laughs imagine it is, and the best treatment was through hormone therapy or surgery; how is that any different than correcting chemical imbalances in depressed people with medication?
analogy is slightly flawed because depression isnt caused by an imbalance, or more specifically, low serotonin.

there is no evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin. that's something thats just used in the culture of psychiatry, but it completely unfounded. the only way to test serotonin levels would be to do a spinal tap, which would be pointless because the amount of serotonin in the brain isn't relevant to depression.

all anti-depressant medications do is stop the reuptake of serotonin, so that you have more available. they don't correct any percieved "imbalance" because there isn't one.

Actually that's not entirely correct.

Serotonin plays a significant role in depression, specifically the levels of it available in the brain. It's not the whole picture of course, but it's definitely not some unfounded idea to push pills on people.

Take tryptophan depletion experiments for example

Spoiler

You take the tryptophan out of a person's diet, through a specially constructed one that includes all other essential nutrients barring that specific amino acid and observe what happens to their mood over the following few months.

You've got four categories of participant

1. Healthy - No family or personal history of MDD
2. Healthy - Family history of MDD
3. In remission from MDD without antidepressants
4. In remission from MDD with antidepressants

Depleting serotonin in categories 2, 3 and 4 led to a slight decrease in mood, moderate decrease in mood and relapse in depression respectively.
(Ruhé et al. 2007 for the source on this)

Or autopsy studies on people who committed suicide following MDD

Spoiler

The brains had abnormally high levels of serotonin receptors in the Prefrontal cortex, indicating that because of the low levels of serotonin the brain reshaped itself to facilitate the reuptake of as much serotonin as possible to avoid it being broken down.
Stanley and Mann, 1983 ; Yates et al. 1990 for these)

Then you come to the lumbar puncture studies (spinal tap)

Spoiler

These found very low levels of serotonin breakdown products in the Cerebrospinal fluid of people with MDD, if there isn't enough available then there isn't going to be much broken down.
Textbook doesn't give a clear reference on this study though, it may just be a general finding

Some antidepressant medications block the reuptake of serotonin, there are others that work differently but that's the more common form (SSRIs/NaSSAs etc).

There is an imbalance in people with MDD, the levels of serotonin in their brain are generally too low and that leads to a lot of the symptoms of depression.

That being said, you also have a couple of other explanations like neurogenesis (or lack-thereof) and the brain derived neurotropic factor levels which can account for some cases of depression. This is thought to work around the hippocampus and it's vulnerability to high levels of stress, which hampers it's ability to regenerate and grow leading to some presentations of depression.

tl;dr yes, sertonin does actually matter a great deal when it comes to depression
Anti-psychiatry is a silly stance for people to take, especially in the face of a plethora of evidence supporting it.

Verbatim · March 17, 2016, 12:43:33 PM

Quote from: Ghost of Reach on March 17, 2016, 11:53:05 AM

they should accept themselves for what they are

And what they are is transgender.

Jester · March 17, 2016, 12:45:28 PM

Depends on what you think is normal

Dan · March 17, 2016, 12:46:09 PM

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on March 17, 2016, 12:28:49 PM

Anti-psychiatry is a silly stance for people to take, especially in the face of a plethora of evidence supporting it.

I wouldn't say I'm anti-psychiatry. I can agree that getting help from one can be helpful for those with extreme acute issues that could only be resolved with intervention. However, taking medication for chronic and less severe issues over long-term isn't ideal. Especially since they don't cure disorders, they simply give symtomatic relief.

Not to mention a lot of psychiatric drugs come with side-effects that are often worse than the problem the patient came in with in the first place. SSRI's have been shown to only be slightly more effective than placebo at reducing symptoms of depression. The risk isn't worth it considering the benefit is minimal at best, especially if the person has mild-moderate depression.

Health should be about being able to recognize what is it in that person's environment that's causing a person to feel depressed in the first place, and being able to get help to solve those problems rather than blaming it on a "chemical imbalance" and ignoring the issues in the person's life. The person's nutrition, diet and lifestyle are also big factors. That's what psychiatry should focus more on.