Quote from: Sandtrap on March 04, 2015, 01:08:09 AM

Our species, as relatively "modern" Humans

A small part of my soul rots away every time I see someone capitalize the name of a species.

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Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 04, 2015, 01:19:04 AM

Yo so my two threads get locked immediately, but we can have nine goddamn pages of shitposting and nobody objects at all?

#bodmias

ITT: Nuka and Door do not know the difference between actual intelligent discussion and shit posting.

Now quit derailing the thread! Obsolete humans.

^ mad

>claims to be trolling/joking
>gets mad when I troll/joke

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Quote from: WorldFamousBukkakeWarrior on March 04, 2015, 12:32:50 AM

this thread is gay as hell yo

^ Example of an unintelligent primitive human animal.

Intelligent enough to use complex tools and communicate its thoughts.

Think more about these things.

That's considered "intelligent" now? lol.

I'm sorry, do you have a better definition for intelligent lifeforms?

Yes. Human beings that actually know the definition of the word "gay."

Some humans are just as primitive as their ancestors.

Except gay has frequently been used to mean dumb when in the right context for years. You have too many unrealistic standards and such a rigid line of thought.

It's incorrect fucking grammer. Don't say it's correct.

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 04, 2015, 12:47:26 AM

Obsolete against what exactly? Some other species who got farther along? Obsolete against nature when the fact of the matter is we are still very much a part of it and evolution itself?

And again, talking planetary death here. Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. Let that sink in for a second. Not even counting the actual time they were alive for, plus other living creatures that came before them, the last living dinosaur died 65 million years ago.

Our species, as relatively "modern" Humans, if I remember right, have existed for give or take 200, 300 thousand years. Compared to how long ago the dinosaurs died out, not even counting their lifespan as a species, we're still kids on the block.

And not only that, but before we stepped foot on the planet, our planet has suffered 7 known mass extinctions. When I say mass extinctions we're talking drops from 60% to 95% of all life dying out.

And yet here today, here we are. And even better. Sharks, crocodiles, the celocanth, horshoe crabs.

Those four animals were alive before, during, and after the dinosaurs. And they survived through mass extinctions to see the world today. They evolved, adapted, survived, and here they are. And they didn't even have technology. Just natural stubbornness.

In 1905, the province of Saskatchewan was founded. Roughly 100 years ago. On the wall of my restaurant there is a picture taken of the building I live in now from the 1920's.

From 1905, roughly 100 years ago, from the 1920's when that black and white picture was taken of the very same building I'm living in today that hasn't changed since, technology has accelerated and jumped so far. And it keeps moving. Come 65 years, if I'm still alive, I have no idea what I'll live to see.

You think people who were alive in the 20's knew what they were going to see today either?

The point being is, life is stubborn. Hell, even if you took our planet, and hucked it away from the sun, and the entire planet froze with no heat source, life would survive at the bottom of the oceans. You knock out 95% of all life on the planet with oxygen levels dipping to only 5% content in the air, and life is still here today.

We're not obsolete in any sense.

Just something new. And with being new comes mistakes. Lots of fuck ups. As a species, we've a lot of time left on our clocks just yet.

Hmmmm.

You've given me something to think about. I'm not so sure if i can debate this.

Oh well allow me to make sure you can't debate it.

You think just because our society has gone through collapses and shifts that it's obsolete? That old empires fell apart and something new took their place? Life is all about cycles. Existence and the universe itself is founded on cycles. Everything collapses. Everything ends. And then from what's left of the pieces, something new is created.

Not only that, but let's take a look at old Human empires.

Because, statistically speaking, the current population of our species on the planet is the highest it's ever been in our history. And throughout our entire history through the collapse of empires, not once was there ever a global, end all collapse. One empire fell, somebody picked up the pieces and made it farther than the last.

It's like a learning process.

You can't learn to succeed if you don't know fuck ups first.

You can't learn to ride a bike without learning that the posibilty exists that you'll fall and wipe out. You can't put your heart on the line and try your luck with someone you think you love without the possibility of having things not work out.

You can't grow as the first actively inventive, creative, and curious species on the planet without making mistakes first.

There will never be this so called end all collapse people are worried about. Our society is too big to take down now. Too interconnected, our numbers too large, the largest in history.

There will always be rough patches.

But that's life. There's always a survivor who comes out on top too. And usually, they improve on what their forefathers lacked. And, not only that, but our technology, our advances in technology in the past arose from conflict.

Present us with a challenge and a conflict, and we start to think about it. We race and push and fight to develop a new technology. To get one step ahead.

What's the big conflict coming up in our future?

Environmental. We're learning that our environment can be affected by what we do because of our cumulative numbers as a species. Not affected changed as in hot or cold, global warming or even climate change.

But accelerated. Earth has a long history of climate ups and downs. Dinosaurs used to live up in the south and north poles. There used to be jungles up there. Climate changes. The only difference is, we're speeding up the rate at which it changes which holds disastrous implications because over a gradual thousand year period life adapts to the changing climate.

So. Our big new challenge that's going to eventually spook us off our asses.

Climate change acceleration.

We might not make the neccessary moves in time to revert what we're doing. But that doesn't mean everybody's just going to keel over and die because the weather changes. Technology will be pushed along to adapt, and maybe even repair or stabilize the damage done.

And then we'll go from there.

Another accident, another mistake. It's all part of a really big learning process.

I think I found one flaw to poke at here, if you don't mind.

What if people never learn?

Good question. Technically speaking, our entire history was founded on individuals. Our entire species isn't smart. Our entire species, didn't one day get up and say "Hey, fellas, wanna learn about nuclear fusion?"

Key individuals did.

So your question, "what if people never learn?" is exactly right. People don't ever learn. Not all of them. But what matters is the key individuals. History shows that if you don't learn from your mistakes, you repeat them. It's like going up to a guy and saying "Hey buddy, maybe if you try doing it this way, you'll have an easier time."

One person might wave you off and keep doing it their way. And naturally, fail. Or do things less efficiently.

And another, who was willing to stop and listen, and think about it, will try it differently. And they'll succeed.

And think about it. We are where we are today based off key individuals. Key people who thought differently. Key people who were smarter, more curious, and more bold than the rest. Not everybody is going to learn.

That's why today 1 in 5 americans don't know that earth orbits the sun.

There's never going to be a unified humanity filled with geniuses. Never going to be a day where everybody is fair, everybody is intelligent, and everybody plays nice.

But what matters is the fact that we keep having special people who push things along for everybody else.

Just like that first human being who discovered that a sharp rock worked pretty good as a tool.

Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 04, 2015, 01:31:01 AM

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Quote from: Nυƙʌ 'Kʌʅ Vʌɾɢυɲ on March 04, 2015, 01:31:05 AM

shut yer yapper boyo

STAHP

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Quote from: Nυƙʌ 'Kʌʅ Vʌɾɢυɲ on March 04, 2015, 01:28:31 AM

>claims to be trolling/joking
>gets mad when I troll/joke

You're not joking. You're going full retard.

Never go full retard.

Oh the sweet beautiful irony.

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Quote from: WorldFamousBukkakeWarrior on March 04, 2015, 12:32:50 AM

this thread is gay as hell yo

^ Example of an unintelligent primitive human animal.

Intelligent enough to use complex tools and communicate its thoughts.

Think more about these things.

That's considered "intelligent" now? lol.

I'm sorry, do you have a better definition for intelligent lifeforms?

Yes. Human beings that actually know the definition of the word "gay."

Some humans are just as primitive as their ancestors.

Except gay has frequently been used to mean dumb when in the right context for years. You have too many unrealistic standards and such a rigid line of thought.

It's incorrect fucking grammer. Don't say it's correct.

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 04, 2015, 12:47:26 AM

Obsolete against what exactly? Some other species who got farther along? Obsolete against nature when the fact of the matter is we are still very much a part of it and evolution itself?

And again, talking planetary death here. Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. Let that sink in for a second. Not even counting the actual time they were alive for, plus other living creatures that came before them, the last living dinosaur died 65 million years ago.

Our species, as relatively "modern" Humans, if I remember right, have existed for give or take 200, 300 thousand years. Compared to how long ago the dinosaurs died out, not even counting their lifespan as a species, we're still kids on the block.

And not only that, but before we stepped foot on the planet, our planet has suffered 7 known mass extinctions. When I say mass extinctions we're talking drops from 60% to 95% of all life dying out.

And yet here today, here we are. And even better. Sharks, crocodiles, the celocanth, horshoe crabs.

Those four animals were alive before, during, and after the dinosaurs. And they survived through mass extinctions to see the world today. They evolved, adapted, survived, and here they are. And they didn't even have technology. Just natural stubbornness.

In 1905, the province of Saskatchewan was founded. Roughly 100 years ago. On the wall of my restaurant there is a picture taken of the building I live in now from the 1920's.

From 1905, roughly 100 years ago, from the 1920's when that black and white picture was taken of the very same building I'm living in today that hasn't changed since, technology has accelerated and jumped so far. And it keeps moving. Come 65 years, if I'm still alive, I have no idea what I'll live to see.

You think people who were alive in the 20's knew what they were going to see today either?

The point being is, life is stubborn. Hell, even if you took our planet, and hucked it away from the sun, and the entire planet froze with no heat source, life would survive at the bottom of the oceans. You knock out 95% of all life on the planet with oxygen levels dipping to only 5% content in the air, and life is still here today.

We're not obsolete in any sense.

Just something new. And with being new comes mistakes. Lots of fuck ups. As a species, we've a lot of time left on our clocks just yet.

Hmmmm.

You've given me something to think about. I'm not so sure if i can debate this.

Oh well allow me to make sure you can't debate it.

You think just because our society has gone through collapses and shifts that it's obsolete? That old empires fell apart and something new took their place? Life is all about cycles. Existence and the universe itself is founded on cycles. Everything collapses. Everything ends. And then from what's left of the pieces, something new is created.

Not only that, but let's take a look at old Human empires.

Because, statistically speaking, the current population of our species on the planet is the highest it's ever been in our history. And throughout our entire history through the collapse of empires, not once was there ever a global, end all collapse. One empire fell, somebody picked up the pieces and made it farther than the last.

It's like a learning process.

You can't learn to succeed if you don't know fuck ups first.

You can't learn to ride a bike without learning that the posibilty exists that you'll fall and wipe out. You can't put your heart on the line and try your luck with someone you think you love without the possibility of having things not work out.

You can't grow as the first actively inventive, creative, and curious species on the planet without making mistakes first.

There will never be this so called end all collapse people are worried about. Our society is too big to take down now. Too interconnected, our numbers too large, the largest in history.

There will always be rough patches.

But that's life. There's always a survivor who comes out on top too. And usually, they improve on what their forefathers lacked. And, not only that, but our technology, our advances in technology in the past arose from conflict.

Present us with a challenge and a conflict, and we start to think about it. We race and push and fight to develop a new technology. To get one step ahead.

What's the big conflict coming up in our future?

Environmental. We're learning that our environment can be affected by what we do because of our cumulative numbers as a species. Not affected changed as in hot or cold, global warming or even climate change.

But accelerated. Earth has a long history of climate ups and downs. Dinosaurs used to live up in the south and north poles. There used to be jungles up there. Climate changes. The only difference is, we're speeding up the rate at which it changes which holds disastrous implications because over a gradual thousand year period life adapts to the changing climate.

So. Our big new challenge that's going to eventually spook us off our asses.

Climate change acceleration.

We might not make the neccessary moves in time to revert what we're doing. But that doesn't mean everybody's just going to keel over and die because the weather changes. Technology will be pushed along to adapt, and maybe even repair or stabilize the damage done.

And then we'll go from there.

Another accident, another mistake. It's all part of a really big learning process.

I think I found one flaw to poke at here, if you don't mind.

What if people never learn?

Good question. Technically speaking, our entire history was founded on individuals. Our entire species isn't smart. Our entire species, didn't one day get up and say "Hey, fellas, wanna learn about nuclear fusion?"

Key individuals did.

So your question, "what if people never learn?" is exactly right. People don't ever learn. Not all of them. But what matters is the key individuals. History shows that if you don't learn from your mistakes, you repeat them. It's like going up to a guy and saying "Hey buddy, maybe if you try doing it this way, you'll have an easier time."

One person might wave you off and keep doing it their way. And naturally, fail. Or do things less efficiently.

And another, who was willing to stop and listen, and think about it, will try it differently. And they'll succeed.

And think about it. We are where we are today based off key individuals. Key people who thought differently. Key people who were smarter, more curious, and more bold than the rest. Not everybody is going to learn.

That's why today 1 in 5 americans don't know that earth orbits the sun.

There's never going to be a unified humanity filled with geniuses. Never going to be a day where everybody is fair, everybody is intelligent, and everybody plays nice.

But what matters is the fact that we keep having special people who push things along for everybody else.

Just like that first human being who discovered that a sharp rock worked pretty good as a tool.

Sandtrap I cannot argue with you. To argue with that would make me an idiot. I applaud you good sir. 

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Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 04, 2015, 01:31:01 AM

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Quote from: Nυƙʌ 'Kʌʅ Vʌɾɢυɲ on March 04, 2015, 01:31:05 AM

shut yer yapper boyo

STAHP

you're continuing it as well >___>

Lock the damn thread already.