How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?
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Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMHow is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?Wha? Humanity isn't exempt from nature. Everything we do is 'natural' in that sense.
Quote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:56:28 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?that's an arbitrary distinction and you know itHow so? Elaborate please.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?that's an arbitrary distinction and you know it
Quote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.
Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.
Quote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.
Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?
Quote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.
If there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on March 04, 2015, 12:00:06 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMHow is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?Wha? Humanity isn't exempt from nature. Everything we do is 'natural' in that sense. fucking
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:59:10 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:56:28 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?that's an arbitrary distinction and you know itHow so? Elaborate please.Because our natural advantage is that we are smart enough to use what is around us to our advantage. The fact that what we make is "made by humans" does not take away from the fact that it is the way we evolved to deal with our surroundings.
Quote from: SexyBarracuda on March 04, 2015, 12:04:38 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:59:10 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:56:28 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?that's an arbitrary distinction and you know itHow so? Elaborate please.Because our natural advantage is that we are smart enough to use what is around us to our advantage. The fact that what we make is "made by humans" does not take away from the fact that it is the way we evolved to deal with our surroundings.But everything we made took time. What if we had nothing again? How would we manage to rebuild?
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 04, 2015, 12:01:59 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on March 04, 2015, 12:00:06 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMHow is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?Wha? Humanity isn't exempt from nature. Everything we do is 'natural' in that sense. fuckingayyy lmao
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Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:47:36 PMOh, you ascribe to Verby's line of thinking. I'm sorry, but that really is disappointing.Well, he doesn't own anti-natalism I hope this doesn't interfere with anything we've established previously about our relationship.
Oh, you ascribe to Verby's line of thinking. I'm sorry, but that really is disappointing.
That's my point. Because you can't ask nothing for it's consent, you should do it.
QuoteIf there was something to ask for consent before you do something to it, of course I would. But there isn't. The child-to-be does not exist before the egg gets fertilized and starts multiplying into a full human being. Something that does not exist cannot have rights or freedom of choice, because it does not exist.It will eventually exist. You are still condemning the child to a life it could potentially not want, which makes it immoral.
If there was something to ask for consent before you do something to it, of course I would. But there isn't. The child-to-be does not exist before the egg gets fertilized and starts multiplying into a full human being. Something that does not exist cannot have rights or freedom of choice, because it does not exist.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 04, 2015, 12:06:58 AMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 04, 2015, 12:04:38 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:59:10 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:56:28 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?that's an arbitrary distinction and you know itHow so? Elaborate please.Because our natural advantage is that we are smart enough to use what is around us to our advantage. The fact that what we make is "made by humans" does not take away from the fact that it is the way we evolved to deal with our surroundings.But everything we made took time. What if we had nothing again? How would we manage to rebuild?With time.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on March 04, 2015, 12:00:06 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMHow is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?Wha? Humanity isn't exempt from nature. Everything we do is 'natural' in that sense.So the internet is considered natural to you? I'm sorry but the way I see it, eating, shiting, pissing, fucking, and sleeping are what I consider natural.
Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:47:36 PMQuote from: [Raiden] Snake on March 03, 2015, 11:39:05 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:35:11 PM...Because reproduction is the point of life?Not really. There is no point to life except the subjective meanings we give it.That...is a debate I've done before and have no inclination to get into again. I shouldn't have brought that up.QuoteQuoteAnd we could still reproduce, most likely, just with less...squishiness. Unless there's some way they can get a child's consent to be born, I'm not an advocate for reproduction. Especially when immortality makes it redundant.Oh, you ascribe to Verby's line of thinking. I'm sorry, but that really is disappointing.Fact is, there's literally nothing there before a child is born. No thought, no emotion, nothing. You're asking for nothing to give its consent. I'd describe it as being like asking an inanimate object for consent before you do something with it, but it's less than that. It's less than asking some plastic and circuitry for consent before building it into a computer. It's less than asking the chair you're sitting in for consent before sitting in it. It's less than asking a lightswitch for consent before you flip it.If there was something to ask for consent before you do something to it, of course I would. But there isn't. The child-to-be does not exist before the egg gets fertilized and starts multiplying into a full human being. Something that does not exist cannot have rights or freedom of choice, because it does not exist.this is why i asked you not to do this too yourself
Quote from: [Raiden] Snake on March 03, 2015, 11:39:05 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:35:11 PM...Because reproduction is the point of life?Not really. There is no point to life except the subjective meanings we give it.That...is a debate I've done before and have no inclination to get into again. I shouldn't have brought that up.QuoteQuoteAnd we could still reproduce, most likely, just with less...squishiness. Unless there's some way they can get a child's consent to be born, I'm not an advocate for reproduction. Especially when immortality makes it redundant.Oh, you ascribe to Verby's line of thinking. I'm sorry, but that really is disappointing.Fact is, there's literally nothing there before a child is born. No thought, no emotion, nothing. You're asking for nothing to give its consent. I'd describe it as being like asking an inanimate object for consent before you do something with it, but it's less than that. It's less than asking some plastic and circuitry for consent before building it into a computer. It's less than asking the chair you're sitting in for consent before sitting in it. It's less than asking a lightswitch for consent before you flip it.If there was something to ask for consent before you do something to it, of course I would. But there isn't. The child-to-be does not exist before the egg gets fertilized and starts multiplying into a full human being. Something that does not exist cannot have rights or freedom of choice, because it does not exist.
Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:35:11 PM...Because reproduction is the point of life?Not really. There is no point to life except the subjective meanings we give it.
...Because reproduction is the point of life?
QuoteAnd we could still reproduce, most likely, just with less...squishiness. Unless there's some way they can get a child's consent to be born, I'm not an advocate for reproduction. Especially when immortality makes it redundant.
And we could still reproduce, most likely, just with less...squishiness.
Quote from: Korra Valentine on March 04, 2015, 12:05:40 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 04, 2015, 12:01:59 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on March 04, 2015, 12:00:06 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMHow is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?Wha? Humanity isn't exempt from nature. Everything we do is 'natural' in that sense. fuckingayyy lmaoWhat? What's so funny?
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on March 04, 2015, 12:07:40 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 04, 2015, 12:06:58 AMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 04, 2015, 12:04:38 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:59:10 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:56:28 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?that's an arbitrary distinction and you know itHow so? Elaborate please.Because our natural advantage is that we are smart enough to use what is around us to our advantage. The fact that what we make is "made by humans" does not take away from the fact that it is the way we evolved to deal with our surroundings.But everything we made took time. What if we had nothing again? How would we manage to rebuild?With time.And do you think with the way this generation is now that would be possible?
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 04, 2015, 12:01:59 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on March 04, 2015, 12:00:06 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMHow is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?Wha? Humanity isn't exempt from nature. Everything we do is 'natural' in that sense.So the internet is considered natural to you? I'm sorry but the way I see it, eating, shiting, pissing, fucking, and sleeping are what I consider natural.Yes because it is a product of this universe. It didn't just pop into existence with no external influence. The internet wouldn't exist if nature didn't allow us to exist as a part of it and thus create the internet.Simply because we have a higher intelligence does not mean we are separate from nature. We still exist and act in this universe according to conditioning, and the internet is just another product of that.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 04, 2015, 12:08:22 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on March 04, 2015, 12:07:40 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 04, 2015, 12:06:58 AMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 04, 2015, 12:04:38 AMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:59:10 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:56:28 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:53:48 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:30:12 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 03, 2015, 11:22:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 11:17:44 PMQuote from: LC on March 03, 2015, 11:14:28 PMIf there's one thing that really annoys me it's when people underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of humans.All we have are tenacity and ingenuity. We're fortunate that those make up for us being one of the weakest, slowest, least physically accustomed species among those at the upper portion of the food chain.Why does being faster, stronger count for shit when those other abilities allowed us basic mastery over a most of the landmass on the planet?Oh, that has little to do with how physically powerful we are, and more to do with humans fucking a hell of a lot more than most of the other large predators. Seriously, we breed like rabbits, except rabbits don't gang up on gorillas and hippos. Also, we don't run away when one of us is killed, we turn back and kill whatever took one of us down. Few other animals do that.In short, we could drive them out, but they could never drive us out, even though they could kill us without much trouble if they turned and fought.Again, try no man made weapons at all. We wouldn't win the fight.Deci removing our ability to make and use tools is like removing a lion's claws and teeth or a falcons eyesight.It's our natural advantage over other species.How is it our natural advantage if what we create is artificial?that's an arbitrary distinction and you know itHow so? Elaborate please.Because our natural advantage is that we are smart enough to use what is around us to our advantage. The fact that what we make is "made by humans" does not take away from the fact that it is the way we evolved to deal with our surroundings.But everything we made took time. What if we had nothing again? How would we manage to rebuild?With time.And do you think with the way this generation is now that would be possible?Considering every generation has looked at the next generation with contempt, yes.
Why is this already at 6 pages?
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 04, 2015, 12:10:49 AMWhy is this already at 6 pages?Because rOCKETMAN isn't real.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 04, 2015, 12:10:49 AMWhy is this already at 6 pages?Because I love discussions like this. Let me have my fun.Also, you're obsolete.
And, er, sorry Deci, but they're absolutely right when they say humanity's niche is its ability to make tool. It's how we even out (and more so) the physical playing field with other predators.
The human race is obsolete
