Quote from: Lord Commissar on November 29, 2014, 05:31:46 AMYour whole side of this boils down to "waaahhh a black guy that doesn't do something cool or some shit like lando in the trailer. he obviously has no character and is only there because tokenism".
Learn what tokenism is brah. Tokenism is actually fucking racist as it's pigeonholing a character based on their skin color or gender in order to fill a quota. This is one black character in whats been shown to be an all white cast and he seems to have little to no actual development from the trailer that should be introducing him as a main character. Same with the girl who's also supposed to be a main character.If I were to compare them to the main characters from the OT reveal trailers I could actually get a feel for how each character is and thus become interested in them. Meanwhile with this post OT reveal trailer I feel absolutely nothing for these two since I'm not given anything other than a pretty face in whats supposed to be introducing them to me. Meanwhile I know the old cast is returning and if the same effort was put into these new characters you wouldn't have me thinking tokenism. They'd actually feel like they were a part of what's supposed to be the story instead of just an afterthought.Once again. I'd appreciate it if you'd go on your racist witch hunt elsewhere.
Quote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.
Quote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.
Quote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
I- is that a black clone?
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:17 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.Why not?It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.
Quote from: The Waifu Master on November 29, 2014, 10:34:54 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:17 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.Why not?It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.IIRC the movies make it fairly clear that a lot of rebels are ex-empire, and they're not clones. Luke's best fiend joined the Imperial Academy but quit and became an X-Wing pilot.
Quote from: True Velox on November 29, 2014, 10:49:31 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 29, 2014, 10:34:54 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:17 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.Why not?It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.IIRC the movies make it fairly clear that a lot of rebels are ex-empire, and they're not clones. Luke's best fiend joined the Imperial Academy but quit and became an X-Wing pilot.Really? I don't remember this.
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 28, 2014, 11:06:32 PM>TFW when no one likes a teaser that was made after filming was wrapped up under a month a go.Seriously, the fact they had anything to show us at all is surprising. 1. Black guy and chick are the main characters. Neither are Jedi. However, the chick may undergo training by Luke. 2. "Sith" we see (probably) isn't actually a Sith, but someone used to the Dark Side, who collects Sith artifacts.3. Han Solo (may) grows to trust the collector, resulting in tension between him and Luke.4. Luke may be falling to the Dark Side a-la the now non-canon EU.5. Imperial forces we see are most likely fragmented factions from the Empire, now controlled by Moffs. 6. Simon Pegg is a Storm Trooper and has his arms ripped off by Chewbacca.Wouldn't that be the "Imperial Remnant"?
>TFW when no one likes a teaser that was made after filming was wrapped up under a month a go.Seriously, the fact they had anything to show us at all is surprising. 1. Black guy and chick are the main characters. Neither are Jedi. However, the chick may undergo training by Luke. 2. "Sith" we see (probably) isn't actually a Sith, but someone used to the Dark Side, who collects Sith artifacts.3. Han Solo (may) grows to trust the collector, resulting in tension between him and Luke.4. Luke may be falling to the Dark Side a-la the now non-canon EU.5. Imperial forces we see are most likely fragmented factions from the Empire, now controlled by Moffs. 6. Simon Pegg is a Storm Trooper and has his arms ripped off by Chewbacca.
Seriously though, what the fuck was with the pop-up panting black dude?
Quote from: The Waifu Master on November 29, 2014, 10:34:54 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:17 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.Why not?It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.
To people complaining about Boyega being a Stormtrooper...by the time the OT takes place a lot of Stormtroopers are recruits, and only some are still clones. By the time of this movie, it is possible that these guys are hired mercs who are only in it for the money, or are conscripted against their will to fight by what's left of the Empire. And this is thirty years after the OT...I don't think there would be any Jango clones still in service, unless they are still actively cloning. They have shorter life spans, and also they'd be in their fifties/sixties for a normal person. People seem to be forgetting these facts.
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 29, 2014, 11:29:34 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 29, 2014, 10:34:54 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:17 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.Why not?It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.uh no. Disney said anything that wasn't mentioned in the movies or cartoon series from the EU is axed. As such, Republic Commando is canon since they're in the Cartoon series for a short while.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:45:32 PMQuote from: Mr. Admirals on November 29, 2014, 11:29:34 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 29, 2014, 10:34:54 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:17 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.Why not?It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.uh no. Disney said anything that wasn't mentioned in the movies or cartoon series from the EU is axed. As such, Republic Commando is canon since they're in the Cartoon series for a short while.Really? I could have sworn it was only post-EIV stuff.Got a link that corroborates your statement?
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 29, 2014, 12:46:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:45:32 PMQuote from: Mr. Admirals on November 29, 2014, 11:29:34 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 29, 2014, 10:34:54 AMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 29, 2014, 12:21:17 AMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:54:23 PMQuote from: A Cheese Potato on November 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PMQuote from: The Waifu Master on November 28, 2014, 11:24:49 PMI- is that a black clone?Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone TroopersThis is news to me.Shouldn't be.Why not?It's canon that all clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett.Any EU that says that other people joined as Stormtroopers is non-canon.So it can be assumed that they're all still clones.Most people forget that only the lore that takes place post Episode VI is non-canon.uh no. Disney said anything that wasn't mentioned in the movies or cartoon series from the EU is axed. As such, Republic Commando is canon since they're in the Cartoon series for a short while.Really? I could have sworn it was only post-EIV stuff.Got a link that corroborates your statement?Have you got one? I'm going off of memory from people I talked with and the sources I read when the original announcement was made. Looking up internet sources that are reliable is a pain in the ass, and I'd rather not do it if you've got something better.
Learn who the main cast are "brah." At least half of them are female along with the chick in 12 Years A Slave. He's far from being "token."
And yeah, perhaps they are trying to attract more demographics, but it's probably due to what market forces dictate, not some SJW conspiracy like you seem to think it is.
How are you judging these characters? Have you been given a leaked script? Are you sleeping with JJ? Are you psychic? Where can I get this lucrative information on these characters we know absolutely nothing about?
The actors past roles play no bearing on what they're currently in.
I could bring up Disney as the producer and point out how they're notorious for tokenism.
I never stated that it was some SJW conspiracy.
Way to put words in my mouth.
Good to see that you're actually admitting that this seems a little like tokenism.
Especially since all I'm able to take away from these characters is "I'm a woman and I'm black" while in the OT trailers I could come away with a good feeling for who each of the characters were.
I've said a dozen times now that I'm going solely on the trailer and comparing it to other trailers for movies within the same franchise.
Could this change later? Yeah, but at the moment all I have to take away from this is "I'm a woman and I'm black".
When you put these next to Luke and Han, two white dudes that actually have a character displayed that's more than the color of their skin and gender in their reveals then yeah it does seem like it's attempting to play demographics.
Besides, using him as a jump scare is just absurd.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on November 29, 2014, 04:02:20 PMTL;DR: You continue to ignore everything I say in order to pursue your racist witch hunt.Considering that you have no intention in having an honest conversation here I'm done. I seriously can't believe that the person arguing in favor of keeping tokenism in films for demographic pandering lip service is trying to tell the person saying that minorities should be playing actual characters in films instead of being sidelined is racist.
Quote from: Daniel on November 28, 2014, 10:08:09 AMQuote from: Casper on November 28, 2014, 09:57:44 AMFake.There are no black people in Star Wars.Mace Windu? Lando Calrissian?Always two, there are.
Quote from: Casper on November 28, 2014, 09:57:44 AMFake.There are no black people in Star Wars.Mace Windu? Lando Calrissian?
Fake.There are no black people in Star Wars.
The first trailer for Star Wars Episode VII is here
