The first trailer for Star Wars Episode VII is here

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LoA still making up excuses.
Excuses for what? I was just sharing insider information... Oh I see.

Quite a few people in the thread (maybe it was only one?) were wondering why so little was going on and why it was only one "character" at a time.

More of an explanation and a justification than an excuse, there is to say, I am powerless to change your opinions, so keep them if you wish.


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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
Shouldn't be.
In all fairness, that topic is really only covered in the EU. Took me quite a while before I actually found that out.
There also is the fact that it's pretty obvious the Stormtroopers weren't meant to be clones in the OT considering they all have different voices and the officers don't even have their faces covered..
That was back before the prequels were even a concept.

When the prequels came out, and we got the concept of the clone armies, I think it was a fair conclusion to make given the similarities between the Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers, plus given the realization the Clones would be the instigators of the rise of the Empire.


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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition
Have we really gotten to the point where we complain about race and gender in movies now?

Are we really stooping to a stormfags level?


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>TFW when no one likes a teaser that was made after filming was wrapped up under a month a go.

Seriously, the fact they had anything to show us at all is surprising.

1. Black guy and chick are the main characters. Neither are Jedi. However, the chick may undergo training by Luke.

2. "Sith" we see (probably) isn't actually a Sith, but someone used to the Dark Side, who collects Sith artifacts.

3. Han Solo (may) grows to trust the collector, resulting in tension between him and Luke.

4. Luke may be falling to the Dark Side a-la the now non-canon EU.

5. Imperial forces we see are most likely fragmented factions from the Empire, now controlled by Moffs.

6. Simon Pegg is a Storm Trooper and has his arms ripped off by Chewbacca.

Wouldn't that be the "Imperial Remnant"?


 
 
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I didn't see a light saber the fuck you guys talking about

The lightsabre with the crossbar, the guy in the woods with a cloak powers it up near the end of the trailer.
Huh how did I miss that.

Looks impractical.

Yup, it looks impractical and stupid as all hell.
But it'll sell a lot of new lightsabre toys!

It's like they don't know how to make a lightsaber, which sounds dumb. My guess is that it is then an 'early' lightsaber... which would make this guy a cliche 'ancient evil' fuck.
Ehhh
I guess I can see that, but at the same time the crossbar ignited after the blade so surely they could just... not have the crossbar... ._.


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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,
Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."


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I really don't have much of a problem with the crossbar, Maul's double bladed Saber is pretty fucking dumb too.

I wanna see a saber pike pls.


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I really don't have much of a problem with the crossbar, Maul's double bladed Saber is pretty fucking dumb too.

I wanna see a saber pike pls.
I'm all up for new designs. I just find it odd why someone would use a design like that. It impedes the saber's maneuverability. Kinda looks like fan art too.


 
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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,
Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."

The way he's introduced screams tokenism.

Lando Calrission
Introduced in his trailer as being a suave rouge similar to Han Solo. Seems to be an interesting character with actual depth.

New Guy
HEY LOOK I'M A BLACK MAN



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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,
Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."

The way he's introduced screams tokenism.

Lando Calrission
Introduced in his trailer as being a suave rouge similar to Han Solo. Seems to be an interesting character with actual depth.

New Guy
HEY LOOK I'M A BLACK MAN
And you're gauging this from a one minute teaser right enough?


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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,
Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."

The way he's introduced screams tokenism.

Lando Calrission
Introduced in his trailer as being a suave rouge similar to Han Solo. Seems to be an interesting character with actual depth.

New Guy
HEY LOOK I'M A BLACK MAN
"black man is the first character in the trailer. obviously tokenism"
Are you done being a moron yet? It's pretty sad that you're actually complaining about the race of a person.


 
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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,
Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."

The way he's introduced screams tokenism.

Lando Calrission
Introduced in his trailer as being a suave rouge similar to Han Solo. Seems to be an interesting character with actual depth.

New Guy
HEY LOOK I'M A BLACK MAN
And you're gauging this from a one minute teaser right enough?

It's only 30 seconds shorter than the Empire Strikes Back trailer.


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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,
Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."

The way he's introduced screams tokenism.

Lando Calrission
Introduced in his trailer as being a suave rouge similar to Han Solo. Seems to be an interesting character with actual depth.

New Guy
HEY LOOK I'M A BLACK MAN
And you're gauging this from a one minute teaser right enough?

It's only 30 seconds shorter than the Empire Strikes Back trailer.
I'm not sure if you're baiting or you're desperately trying to grasp the straws at something to gripe about because you don't like the trailer.


 
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It may be shit, but it's still better than Forced Diversity: The Cast, Progressive Pandering edition,
Are you purposely being a retard?
"hurr movie trailer has a woman and a black guy in it. obvious forced diversity."

The way he's introduced screams tokenism.

Lando Calrission
Introduced in his trailer as being a suave rouge similar to Han Solo. Seems to be an interesting character with actual depth.

New Guy
HEY LOOK I'M A BLACK MAN
"black man is the first character in the trailer. obviously tokenism"
Are you done being a moron yet? It's pretty sad that you're actually complaining about the race of a person.

Only I'm not and you're just trying to start shit.

If you actually understood what I was saying I'm complaining that this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.


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this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.
I'm the one who's starting shit even though you're the one complaining that there's a black guy and a woman in the trailer? Okay.

Yes, because a character we know literally nothing about who appeared for all of 5 seconds in an 88 second trailer is only skin deep and only for the sake of diversity.
Congrats, Mr Super Sleuth.


 
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this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.
I'm the one who's starting shit even though you're the one complaining that there's a black guy and a woman in the trailer? Okay.

Yes, because a character we know literally nothing about who appeared for all of 5 seconds in an 88 second trailer is only skin deep and only for the sake of diversity.
Congrats, Mr Super Sleuth.

You're trying to call me a moronic racist when I've quite clearly explained that I'm comparing two different characters from trailers that are similar in length.

Lando Calrissian seems like an actual character. This new guy doesn't. Lando barely has more time in the Empire trailer than new guy, but he shows off much more character. New guy is relegated to a fucking jump scare to show off that there's a black guy in the film.

Of course you'll likely ignore everything I'm saying once again in order to push your narrative that denies all evidence to the contrary.


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this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.
I'm the one who's starting shit even though you're the one complaining that there's a black guy and a woman in the trailer? Okay.

Yes, because a character we know literally nothing about who appeared for all of 5 seconds in an 88 second trailer is only skin deep and only for the sake of diversity.
Congrats, Mr Super Sleuth.

You're trying to call me a moronic racist when I've quite clearly explained that I'm comparing two different characters from trailers that are similar in length.

Lando Calrissian seems like an actual character. This new guy doesn't. Lando barely has more time in the Empire trailer than new guy, but he shows off much more character. New guy is relegated to a fucking jump scare to show off that there's a black guy in the film.

Of course you'll likely ignore everything I'm saying once again in order to push your narrative that denies all evidence to the contrary.
It's not so much that he's "pushing a narrative." It's that you're literally ascertaining an unknown character in an unknown role in a minute teaser trailer based on irrelevant factors such as skin colour.

Why does it matter? Do you find it difficult to identify with people not your colour unless they instantly display suaveness in a movie trailer? Are you that childish?


 
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this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.
I'm the one who's starting shit even though you're the one complaining that there's a black guy and a woman in the trailer? Okay.

Yes, because a character we know literally nothing about who appeared for all of 5 seconds in an 88 second trailer is only skin deep and only for the sake of diversity.
Congrats, Mr Super Sleuth.

You're trying to call me a moronic racist when I've quite clearly explained that I'm comparing two different characters from trailers that are similar in length.

Lando Calrissian seems like an actual character. This new guy doesn't. Lando barely has more time in the Empire trailer than new guy, but he shows off much more character. New guy is relegated to a fucking jump scare to show off that there's a black guy in the film.

Of course you'll likely ignore everything I'm saying once again in order to push your narrative that denies all evidence to the contrary.
It's not so much that he's "pushing a narrative." It's that you're literally ascertaining an unknown character in an unknown role in a minute teaser trailer based on irrelevant factors such as skin colour.

Why does it matter? Do you find it difficult to identify with people not your colour unless they instantly display suaveness in a movie trailer? Are you that childish?

Yes I can't get over a character or identify with a black character which is why I was praising Lando Calrission. A character who happened to be black, but didn't have his character revolve around the fact.
You're focusing on the wrong shit in order to try and stick it to me. You're the one who's grasping at straws here.


I'll distill this even further for you.

Being a suave rouge is an actual character trait that shows depth. Being panting black man isn't, this is prequel level depth here.
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I- is that a black clone?
Not all the Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers
This is news to me.
I was actually quite surprised when I learned that too, turns out that a lot of the stormtroopers were just regular soldiers rather than the clone remnants.


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this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.
I'm the one who's starting shit even though you're the one complaining that there's a black guy and a woman in the trailer? Okay.

Yes, because a character we know literally nothing about who appeared for all of 5 seconds in an 88 second trailer is only skin deep and only for the sake of diversity.
Congrats, Mr Super Sleuth.

You're trying to call me a moronic racist when I've quite clearly explained that I'm comparing two different characters from trailers that are similar in length.

Lando Calrissian seems like an actual character. This new guy doesn't. Lando barely has more time in the Empire trailer than new guy, but he shows off much more character. New guy is relegated to a fucking jump scare to show off that there's a black guy in the film.

Of course you'll likely ignore everything I'm saying once again in order to push your narrative that denies all evidence to the contrary.
It's not so much that he's "pushing a narrative." It's that you're literally ascertaining an unknown character in an unknown role in a minute teaser trailer based on irrelevant factors such as skin colour.

Why does it matter? Do you find it difficult to identify with people not your colour unless they instantly display suaveness in a movie trailer? Are you that childish?

Yes I can't get over a character or identify with a black character which is why I was praising Lando Calrission. A character who happened to be black, but didn't have his character revolve around the fact.
You're focusing on the wrong shit in order to try and stick it to me. You're the one who's grasping at straws here.


I'll distill this even further for you.

Being a suave rouge is an actual character trait that shows depth. Being panting black man isn't, this is prequel level depth here.
I'm not even sure what to say to you at this point. You're acting like one of those edgy sperglords who complained about the Heath Ledger stills of the Joker because they were too effeminate, and passing baseless autistic claims on post production material that hadn't been finalised yet.

Your rhetoric reads like a post from the containment board itself. Probably time to stop browsing.


 
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this is a character who seems to only be skin deep while previous characters that happened to be black actually had a character that didn't revolve around their ethnicity.
I'm the one who's starting shit even though you're the one complaining that there's a black guy and a woman in the trailer? Okay.

Yes, because a character we know literally nothing about who appeared for all of 5 seconds in an 88 second trailer is only skin deep and only for the sake of diversity.
Congrats, Mr Super Sleuth.

You're trying to call me a moronic racist when I've quite clearly explained that I'm comparing two different characters from trailers that are similar in length.

Lando Calrissian seems like an actual character. This new guy doesn't. Lando barely has more time in the Empire trailer than new guy, but he shows off much more character. New guy is relegated to a fucking jump scare to show off that there's a black guy in the film.

Of course you'll likely ignore everything I'm saying once again in order to push your narrative that denies all evidence to the contrary.
It's not so much that he's "pushing a narrative." It's that you're literally ascertaining an unknown character in an unknown role in a minute teaser trailer based on irrelevant factors such as skin colour.

Why does it matter? Do you find it difficult to identify with people not your colour unless they instantly display suaveness in a movie trailer? Are you that childish?

Yes I can't get over a character or identify with a black character which is why I was praising Lando Calrission. A character who happened to be black, but didn't have his character revolve around the fact.
You're focusing on the wrong shit in order to try and stick it to me. You're the one who's grasping at straws here.


I'll distill this even further for you.

Being a suave rouge is an actual character trait that shows depth. Being panting black man isn't, this is prequel level depth here.
I'm not even sure what to say to you at this point. You're acting like one of those edgy sperglords who complained about the Heath Ledger stills of the Joker because they were too effeminate, and passing baseless autistic claims on post production material that hadn't been finalised yet.

Your rhetoric reads like a post from the containment board itself. Probably time to stop browsing.

So basically you can't refute me, realized you fucked up when you tried to pin me as some sort of racist, and are now just throwing random shit on the wall in the hope that it sticks.

Good job. An "I'm sorry" would have gone over much better though.

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Nice personal attacks by the way brah. Gotta get dem ad hominems in some how amright?


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Was never intended as a refutation, merely a heated disagreement. I'm sorry if you felt that it was.
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realized you fucked up when you tried to pin me as some sort of racist
It is objectively racist. You're pretty much saying "this character is automatically shit because he's not being portrayed how black characters are meant to be portrayed, not muh star wars!" And now you're shifting the goal posts.
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and are now just throwing random shit on the wall in the hope that it sticks.
Trying to figure out your peculiar position, actually.
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Good job. An "I'm sorry" would have gone over much better though.
Why should I apologize? You're the one preemptively judging a character based on his skin tone, not me.
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Nice personal attacks by the way brah. Gotta get dem ad hominems in some how amright?
At this point I'm wondering if you can actually read, because I was drawing a comparison between you and those types of people. I never actually directly attacked you with those terms. You have the authority to ban me anyway, so I'm glad you can unconsciously discern between the two.


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I'm preemptively judging a character based on his lack of character. You and Lemon are the ones making it solely about race.

Lando Calrission was only brought up because you two tried to make it about race and not about lack of character. You automatically assumed that because I was commenting on what seemed to be tokenism that I was a racist that hated black people. When in fact, wanting a character not to be token lip service to a minority group and feel like an actual person is about the farthest thing from it.

Please go on your racist witch hunt somewhere else.

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And really? "I'm not calling you an autistic sperglord! I'm just comparing you to one!"? That's the best you could do to try to wiggle out of that one?
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Fuck some of are you seriously closet racists. They show some stormtrooper panting (who happens to be black) and that's all you can think about?

Get a grip.

The reason Star Wars has all its advanced tech is cuz' there's no black people to steal it

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I'm preemptively judging a character based on his lack of character. You and Lemon are the ones making it solely about race.

Lando Calrission was only brought up because you two tried to make it about race and not about lack of character. You automatically assumed that because I was commenting on what seemed to be tokenism that I was a racist that hated black people. When in fact, wanting a character not to be token lip service to a minority group and feel like an actual person is about the farthest thing from it.

Please go on your racist witch hunt somewhere else.

So any character that isn't Caucasian is automatically market pandering to a specific demographic? If he was white would he be pandering to white males?

Just trying to apply your logic in a different context here.
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Fuck some of are you seriously closet racists. They show some stormtrooper panting (who happens to be black) and that's all you can think about?

Get a grip.

"I judge characters based on 1 minute teasers"


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Your whole side of this boils down to "waaahhh a black guy that doesn't do something cool or some shit like lando in the trailer. he obviously has no character and is only there because tokenism".