What are they drinking anyway? I thought alcohol was colored.

A lot of the stronger stuff isn't, like Everclear, which is essentially straight ethanol.

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 06:55:45 PM

Quote from: Coco on October 02, 2015, 06:31:56 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 06:13:09 PM

I'm sorry I believe in consent and freedom of choice. Yeah, adults alone should have that freedom, but it's still shitty to get involved in matters that don't concern you whatsoever. Interference is only good if consent is being breached.

Yeah, when they start disrupting everyone and breaking public property, that's totally just their business.

No one ever said that. This hypothetical person is just drinking.

And most hypothetical people when drinking turn into obnoxious cock monglers that you'd entertain the idea of running over with your preffered vehicle of choice.

Those kids are what? 14, 15?

That's a drunk bundle of hormanal bullshit. There isn't a fucking chance in hell that they aren't going to do something stupid, obnoxious, or annoying.

They're 15. They're still retards.

So? Way to generalize. If a kid is doing that you obviously should interfere, but I'm just talking about seeing a teenager drinking peacefully. You wouldn't walk up to him and give him a say no to booze lecture.

Wow. I wish people would stop assuming that drinking at an early age means you're destined for failure. Way to be ignorant and judgmental.

 And if you haven't noticed, Sand, we're not even talking about the specific example in the OP at this point, but underage drinking in general.

Wow. I wish people would stop assuming that drinking at an early age means you're destined for failure. Way to be ignorant and judgmental.

 And if you haven't noticed, Sand, we're not even talking about the specific example in the OP at this point, but underage drinking in general.

Well, lemme see here. How about personal examples?

Let's see. There's my class. All the early birds to drinking and drugs turned out to be total fucking losers. Let's see, I've got a friend who was in a class ahead of me, a friend who was in a class behind me, and all the kids in those classes who started out with drugs or alcohol are total fucking losers.

That makes three classes of about 24-28 kids each, having approximately half of their number turn out to be total fucking losers.

I'm not assuming anything here class. I like to study people. And the consistent pattern I see in young and old people without fail, is that drinking or drugs from a young age, in almost 100% of instances, makes for poor people when growing up and being tossed out into the real world.

What starts out as something cool at a young age leads to addiction or just a habit. And once people go through with aging, those addictions and habits are cemented like fucking concrete. It's all they know, and all they're capable of.

Oh ya, I just thought of another group of kids a few grades down who had the same thing happen to them.

It's practically a fact, Class. Drinking or drugs from an early age, without quitting?

The kid's fucked.

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 02, 2015, 07:37:59 PM

The kid's young. Ender's only 14 after all.
He can be helped yet, you fucking cynical old man.

Not with parental examples in the way. Not with a society that greenlights things like that. And of course, not with the need to fit in at a young age.

If they were smart, they wouldn't have started drinking at that age.

But they did. They're most likely fucked.

Wow. I wish people would stop assuming that drinking at an early age means you're destined for failure. Way to be ignorant and judgmental.

 And if you haven't noticed, Sand, we're not even talking about the specific example in the OP at this point, but underage drinking in general.

Second point here. You remember that thread you made a few days ago about the cross dressers on your campus? That's judgemental. And ignorant.

And it's exactly the same as me. You were basing your judgements off personal experience and your respective viewpoint. As I am basing my experiences with kids and alcohol off of all of mine.

I've watched so many fucking people, that they're predictable in their patterns. A kid who drinks from that early of an age is, in 90% of circumstances, FUCKED. No two ways about it.

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 12:34:42 PM

there's this girl who's using her phone in class when she should be studying

Spoiler

just kidding

must be you since you're the one posting in class

i don't have class on fridays

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 02, 2015, 07:37:59 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 07:26:34 PM

Wow. I wish people would stop assuming that drinking at an early age means you're destined for failure. Way to be ignorant and judgmental.

 And if you haven't noticed, Sand, we're not even talking about the specific example in the OP at this point, but underage drinking in general.

Well, lemme see here. How about personal examples?

Let's see. There's my class. All the early birds to drinking and drugs turned out to be total fucking losers. Let's see, I've got a friend who was in a class ahead of me, a friend who was in a class behind me, and all the kids in those classes who started out with drugs or alcohol are total fucking losers.

That makes three classes of about 24-28 kids each, having approximately half of their number turn out to be total fucking losers.

I'm not assuming anything here class. I like to study people. And the consistent pattern I see in young and old people without fail, is that drinking or drugs from a young age, in almost 100% of instances, makes for poor people when growing up and being tossed out into the real world.

What starts out as something cool at a young age leads to addiction or just a habit. And once people go through with aging, those addictions and habits are cemented like fucking concrete. It's all they know, and all they're capable of.

Oh ya, I just thought of another group of kids a few grades down who had the same thing happen to them.

It's practically a fact, Class. Drinking or drugs from an early age, without quitting?

The kid's fucked.

Ridiculous. I started drinking and smoking when I was 14 and I got fantastic test scores and now in a great college. Assuming that "100%" of people are going to turn out to be losers is a dumb generalization to make.

Four classes worth of kids and countless other fun experiences on my end say otherwise. It's not a generalization when I've watched that shit repeat over and over again without fail.

And I never said that it was 100%. Just likely 90%. But if we're going to drag your personal example into this, then how about this.

How successful are you right now? And exactly, how happy are you? Looking at yourself right now, can your really, truly and honestly say that you think you are?

Because a lot of your posts have implied or said otherwise.

You started drinking and smoking at 14?

No wonder you're  such an enormous faggot

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:03:07 PM

I'm perfectly happy with the choices I've made. Any discontent with myself is about things that are beyond my control.

Personally, I don't think so. But I'll take your word for it on it.

Do you honestly think that having the time of my life when I was a teenager has made me unhappy? You could at least argue for less intelligent, but I have an academic record to refute that. Like I said, anything I dislike about myself isn't anything that I can change, much less that would be changed by not drinking when I was younger.

You can talk from your personal experiences, but they're just that. You have no real argument here, just a geographical observation.

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 12:34:42 PM

there's this girl who's using her phone in class when she should be studying

Spoiler

just kidding

must be you since you're the one posting in class

Class confirmed for sub

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 02, 2015, 08:10:24 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:03:07 PM

I'm perfectly happy with the choices I've made. Any discontent with myself is about things that are beyond my control.

Personally, I don't think so. But I'll take your word for it on it.

Do you honestly think that having the time of my life when I was a teenager has made me unhappy? You could at least argue for less intelligent, but I have an academic record to refute that. Like I said, anything I dislike about myself isn't anything that I can change, much less that would be changed by not drinking when I was younger.

You can talk from your personal experiences, but they're just that. You have no real argument here, just a geographical observation.

I'm not going to dig into the whole personal graveyard here because I'd probably end up coming off as insulting without meaning to, which I don't particularily want to dig myself into nor do.

Also.

"Geographical observation."

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jul2006/niaaa-03.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/underage-drinking.htm

http://alcoholnews.org/Underage%20drinking.html

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/publications/pubhealth/init_report/yhd.html

http://www.camy.org/resources/fact-sheets/consequences-of-underage-drinking-surgeon-general/

http://www.toosmarttostart.samhsa.gov/families/facts/statistics.aspx

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dcare/pdfs/Jernigan.pdf

Oh but please. Yes, do continue to tell me that people who start doing drugs and alcohol from an early age aren't fucked in some shape or form.

If you don't feel like skimming or reading any of those, then allow me to sum it up. Every single one of those reports says that based on the data of their research pools,

The earlier young people start to drink, the worse the alcohol-related consequences:

†Alcohol dependence
†Traffic crashes
†Physical violence after drinking
†Other unintentional injuries after drinking (e.g. drowning,
falls)
†Potential damage to still-developing adolescent brain
†Lower chances of success in school

"Geographical observation" you say? Sources from Canada, the US, and even one in there as a world consensus.

I have a friend that smokes weed and gets high like every weekend.

Whatever. I did everything you're saying and I turned out fine. Had plenty of friends who did, too. You can post statistics all you want, but don't try to say this is an undoubtable constant for everyone.

Once again. I never said that it was an absolute constant. Believe me. I know that human beings defy the odds wherever they can.

But do you know what those reports say? Listen closely.

The majority of people who expose themselves to drugs at a young age are fucked. Just because you exist in a minority, doesn't make you right, Class. And just because you exist in a minority, doesn't mean that your personal experience is going to work when applied to other people.

Which therefore means that it's not a green light for young kids to go up and start doing drugs. You understand that? One lucky person's break doesn't settle it.

Whatever. I did everything you're saying and I turned out fine. Had plenty of friends who did, too. You can post statistics all you want, but don't try to say this is an undoubtable constant for everyone.

*ahem*

"You can talk from your personal experiences, but they're just that. You have no real argument here, just a geographical observation."