Tfw someone is drinking alchohol in my study hall

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 08:39:34 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭Sandtrap on October 02, 2015, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
Whatever. I did everything you're saying and I turned out fine. Had plenty of friends who did, too. You can post statistics all you want, but don't try to say this is an undoubtable constant for everyone.

Once again. I never said that it was an absolute constant. Believe me. I know that human beings defy the odds wherever they can.

But do you know what those reports say? Listen closely.

The majority of people who expose themselves to drugs at a young age are fucked. Just because you exist in a minority, doesn't make you right, Class. And just because you exist in a minority, doesn't mean that your personal experience is going to work when applied to other people.

Which therefore means that it's not a green light for young kids to go up and start doing drugs. You understand that? One lucky person's break doesn't settle it.

I never said young kids should have a green light, I just said it's not your business to interfere.

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 08:40:07 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 08:39:08 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:37:06 PM
Quote from: Luis👌 on October 02, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
I have a friend that smokes weed and gets high like every weekend.
I used to get high every day. A week between sessions is pretty moderate.
"sessions"

lmao

Uh, yeah? That's the word...

Luis · October 02, 2015, 08:44:25 PM

Also, just hope they get liver cancer

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 08:48:50 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:39:34 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭Sandtrap on October 02, 2015, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
Whatever. I did everything you're saying and I turned out fine. Had plenty of friends who did, too. You can post statistics all you want, but don't try to say this is an undoubtable constant for everyone.

Once again. I never said that it was an absolute constant. Believe me. I know that human beings defy the odds wherever they can.

But do you know what those reports say? Listen closely.

The majority of people who expose themselves to drugs at a young age are fucked. Just because you exist in a minority, doesn't make you right, Class. And just because you exist in a minority, doesn't mean that your personal experience is going to work when applied to other people.

Which therefore means that it's not a green light for young kids to go up and start doing drugs. You understand that? One lucky person's break doesn't settle it.
I never said young kids should have a green light, I just said it's not your business to interfere.

And I never said that I did interfere. What I did say, was that they were fucked at that point, and that there would be no point in interfering anyway because that's a train wreck you can't stop.

To which you said that they weren't fucked. All those consensus reports and findings I just gave you? There's your proof beyond my personal experience and mere "geographical occurrence."

I told you. I don't interfere with people. No point.

And second. What I told you earlier. You can preach whether its right or wrong to interfere all you want. But the fact is, what you say means nothing because people walk over laws and rules. What you're telling me right now, would be the equivalent of somebody telling a rapist to stop raping them. Laws and rules only apply to when a person abides by them.

If I choose to go around preaching to kids about alcohol and all that fun stuff, which therefore makes it a violation of personal business, then by that definition, you telling me to mind my own business is a contradiction to your own belief system.

"Mind your own" business is a load of tripe. It only extends to how far a person is willing to let it, which makes it a variable degree, and not a constant or consistent law.

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 08:56:41 PM

Maybe not you specifically, then, but this whole thread is a testament to people interfering where they have no place. I'm allowed to tell you it's bad, just as you're allowed to interfere if you choose, but that doesn't disallow me to say it. I think understanding your place is a sign of a wise person.

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 09:06:12 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 08:56:41 PM

Maybe not you specifically, then, but this whole thread is a testament to people interfering where they have no place. I'm allowed to tell you it's bad, just as you're allowed to interfere if you choose, but that doesn't disallow me to say it. I think understanding your place is a sign of a wise person.

What place, exactly? Because there's no solid base to go off of because every single person has a different concept and limit to how far mind your own business extends. Do you know when it really becomes mind your own business?

When the opposite party states it. When they don't want to hear what you have to say. The concept of "mind your own business" is based on consent alone.

If you came up to me one day, and asked me, "Hey, how's it going?" that would be a violation of mind your own business wouldn't it? You're inserting yourself into my day and my business. Except, that, it's not a violation of it. Because most people will say hello back and start talking.

So actually, yes. The people here are right. But to a degree.

One chance. If Ender went up those kids and starting talking to them about alcohol and all the shit it'll do to them if they keep up, at that point, the kids have two choices. To not listen, or to listen. If they pick no, Ender continuing on would be pressing past mind her own business.

There's no right or wrong in mind your own business. Just consent. People choose when to make things their business. And other people choose when to disregard them. After that, pushing past is a mistake.

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 09:08:54 PM

Well, that's kind of implied. No one drinking alcohol wants you to stop them from doing so or give them a lecture, though. That's obviously very different from just asking how someone's day is.

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 09:11:38 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:08:54 PM

No one drinking alcohol wants you to stop them from doing so or give them a lecture, though.

i would have

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 09:12:36 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:11:38 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
No one drinking alcohol wants you to stop them from doing so or give them a lecture, though.
i would have

You wouldn't drink in the first place.

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 09:15:10 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:12:36 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
No one drinking alcohol wants you to stop them from doing so or give them a lecture, though.
i would have
You wouldn't drink in the first place.

hence "have"

there was a time where i did, where i probably would have appreciated it if someone said, "no, don't be a dumbass"

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 09:16:33 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:15:10 PM

there was a time where i did

What?! Really?

Color me surprised.

Anyway, no one can read your mind, but the vast majority of people don't want to be lectured. And I'd argue that if you're so weak you need someone else to stop you from doing something, that's your problem.

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 09:18:07 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:08:54 PM

Well, that's kind of implied. No one drinking alcohol wants you to stop them from doing so or give them a lecture, though. That's obviously very different from just asking how someone's day is.

Not at all. There's some days that I feel so miserable, when somebody asks me how my day is going, I'd honestly prefer to look them square in the eyes and tell them to fuck off. And I'm sure it could be applied to other people too. Some days, people don't want to talk.

You see what I mean? Your premise of mind your own business is flawed and....utterly loose. It has no concrete bearing or point because it can literally be applied to anything to the point that it becomes ridiculous. And people step over other people's business all the fucking time.

The only real merit that "mind your own business" has is in personal value and views. Which vary for every single person. In your view, having a short talk to those kids is breaking the rule. In most other people's eyes here, it's not.

Factually, both of you are right. But one group would be wrong if the kids said they didn't want to hear what one group had to say. But even then, that's disputable, because sometimes you do things against people's will at the time which can save them or help them greatly.

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 09:19:42 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:16:33 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:15:10 PM
there was a time where i did
What?! Really?

Color me surprised.

Anyway, no one can read your mind, but the vast majority of people don't want to be lectured. And I'd argue that if you're so weak you need someone else to stop you from doing something, that's your problem.

then i guess everyone is weak, because everyone who drinks alcohol needs someone to tell them to stop

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 09:22:13 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:19:42 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:15:10 PM
there was a time where i did
What?! Really?

Color me surprised.

Anyway, no one can read your mind, but the vast majority of people don't want to be lectured. And I'd argue that if you're so weak you need someone else to stop you from doing something, that's your problem.
then i guess everyone is weak, because everyone who drinks alcohol needs someone to tell them to stop

So either the entire world is weak or your opinion is wrong. Guess which is more likely.

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 09:22:45 PM

the entire world is weak

R o c k e t · October 02, 2015, 09:26:48 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:22:45 PM

the entire world is weak

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 09:29:25 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:22:45 PM

the entire world is weak

I'd back that up. People are most often lazy sacks of potatoes.

You want some proof of that class?

Take a look at the percentage of fat people in the world. People too uncaring or lazy to take care of themselves who then drag down others down with them.

Murderers? Rapists? Some of them are people who had a choice before they committed the crime. And they picked the shit way to do things.

How about unplanned parenthood? People who had the option the have safe sex but didn't.

Fucking hell, half the time somebody gets killed or injured it was because they could have done something so simple to prevent it, but they didn't.

People are still largely attached to being completely non-sensical and stupid about things. Verb is right on this one. Look at our history of bullshit. Look at today. We always have the choices to make to go somewhere else and do something better, and yet, nobody ever takes them because it's the difficult road.

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 09:33:29 PM

Drinking alcohol is not an inherently bad act. There's this thing called a functional alcoholic, you know.

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 09:35:03 PM

Doctor Doom · October 02, 2015, 09:36:20 PM

Quote from: RELEASE ME MUTANT BAG! on October 02, 2015, 09:26:48 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
the entire world is weak

Should have edited his face into the mirror.

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 09:36:31 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:33:29 PM

Drinking alcohol is not an inherently bad act. There's this thing called a functional alcoholic, you know.

Which is literally just a symptom of having been drinking for so long that their body actually needs alcohol to function properly. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually comes from BIG FUCKING SPOILER ALERT: Kids drinking at a young age.

I want you to think of the logic behind this Class.

A human being is born without having ever been exposed to alcohol.

And they need alcohol to function better. Does that make any fucking shred of sense?

Because that's an excuse people use to validate their condition at that point when they don't realize that their body is so dependent on alcohol that it can no longer function properly without it. That's like the last damn stage of heavy addiction. Because if they tried to quit at that point it would hurt them or kill them.

Ender · October 02, 2015, 09:40:29 PM

Quote from: Nameless Grunt on October 02, 2015, 08:18:56 PM

Quote from: Enduuuuuuur on October 02, 2015, 12:44:18 PM
I thought alcohol was colored.

You are just the cutest.

shut up

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SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 09:52:26 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭Sandtrap on October 02, 2015, 09:36:31 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:33:29 PM
Drinking alcohol is not an inherently bad act. There's this thing called a functional alcoholic, you know.

Which is literally just a symptom of having been drinking for so long that their body actually needs alcohol to function properly. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually comes from BIG FUCKING SPOILER ALERT: Kids drinking at a young age.

I want you to think of the logic behind this Class.

A human being is born without having ever been exposed to alcohol.

And they need alcohol to function better. Does that make any fucking shred of sense?

Because that's an excuse people use to validate their condition at that point when they don't realize that their body is so dependent on alcohol that it can no longer function properly without it. That's like the last damn stage of heavy addiction. Because if they tried to quit at that point it would hurt them or kill them.

My point was that even people addicted to alcohol can be successful, which you really can't deny. And further than that, drinking alcohol occasionally doesn't neccesitate getting addicted to it, anyway.

Assassin 11D7 · October 02, 2015, 09:53:06 PM

This is quite possibly the dumbest argument I have read on here.

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 09:57:47 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:52:26 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭Sandtrap on October 02, 2015, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 09:33:29 PM
Drinking alcohol is not an inherently bad act. There's this thing called a functional alcoholic, you know.

Which is literally just a symptom of having been drinking for so long that their body actually needs alcohol to function properly. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually comes from BIG FUCKING SPOILER ALERT: Kids drinking at a young age.

I want you to think of the logic behind this Class.

A human being is born without having ever been exposed to alcohol.

And they need alcohol to function better. Does that make any fucking shred of sense?

Because that's an excuse people use to validate their condition at that point when they don't realize that their body is so dependent on alcohol that it can no longer function properly without it. That's like the last damn stage of heavy addiction. Because if they tried to quit at that point it would hurt them or kill them.
My point was that even people addicted to alcohol can be successful, which you really can't deny. And further than that, drinking alcohol occasionally doesn't neccesitate getting addicted to it, anyway.

Except that you can be successful without having to get addicted to alcohol in the first place. Here. Have some more stats about how being a functional alcoholic is "okay."

Spoiler

A high-functioning alcoholic (HFA) is an alcoholic who is able to maintain their outside life such as jobs, academics, relationships, etc. – all while drinking alcoholically.

Numbers from the Harvard School of Public Health show that 31 percent of college students show signs of alcohol abuse and 6 percent are dependent on alcohol. Thus, about 37 percent of college students may meet the new criteria for alcoholism defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Doctors hope that the new definition will help identify severe cases of alcoholism early, rather than when the problem is fully developed.

Many HFAs are not viewed by society as alcoholics because they do not fit the common alcoholic stereotype. Unlike the stereotypical alcoholic, HFAs have either succeeded or over-achieved through their lifetimes. This can lead to denial of alcoholism by the HFA, co-workers, family members, and friends. Functional alcoholics account for 19.5 percent of total U.S. alcoholics, with 50 percent being smokers and 33 percent having a multigenerational family history of alcoholism.

Spoiler

The functional alcoholic consumes as much alcohol as any "full-blown" alcoholic, they just don't exhibit the outward symptoms of intoxication. This is because they have developed a tolerance for alcohol to the point that it takes more for them to feel the effects (including hangovers).

Consequently, they must drink increasingly larger amounts to get the same "buzz" they want.

This slow build-up of alcohol tolerance means the functional alcoholic is drinking at dangerous levels that can result in alcohol-related organ damage, cognitive impairment and alcohol dependence. Chronic heavy drinkers can display a functional tolerance to the point they show few obvious signs of intoxication even at high blood alcohol concentrations, which in others would be incapacitating.

Functional alcoholic isn't a good thing class. It was never a term intended to be good. It's actually probably the stage of no return.

SecondClass · October 02, 2015, 10:04:10 PM

You're too dramatic.

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 10:14:20 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 10:04:10 PM

You're too dramatic.

Tell that to my father who's had a kidney removed.

"Functioning alcoholic" he said.

And no, I'm not being dramatic. You're just interpreting what I'm saying as dramatic so that you can shrug it off as an excuse to say that drinking at a young age is fine and dandy and that being a functioning alcoholic is actually some magical condition where alcohol no longer affects you and that you can pull a successful life out of your fucking ass because of it.

When the simple, biological reality is this.

You drink at a young age, chances are you're fucked if you don't stop. Most people, but not all of them, are likely screwed. A functioning alcoholic isn't some magically okay person because they don't show when they're intoxicated, nor does having a remotely successful life give them an excuse to keep drinking when they could have just as easily done things on their own without drinking in the first place.

I'm not gonna go around and lecture people who drink. But I'm not gonna sit down and say that it's okay either because it's not. That's a fact. I've told you my personal experiences, I've shown you multiple studies as to why it's not.

Assassin 11D7 · October 02, 2015, 10:25:23 PM

But Class, the government uses alcohol as a way of regulating and controlling the minds of its people. You're falling right into their hands.

The Hån · October 02, 2015, 11:02:51 PM

start beating the shit out of him.

take his bottle, bus itt on his head, and shank him with the shards.